Transit fares and high gas prices

In article <Eb2dnViY7Oxj9oLVnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@earthlink.com> , Bolwerk
<no@way.org2> wrote:

> What is feasible, maybe, is drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Reserve,
> where there could be more oil. It might make a few people rich, but
> everything I've read seems to suggest that it won't have any meaningful
> effect on supply.


The stuff I've seen suggests that it would take a great deal of time to
get everything up and running - to the point where you are looking at an
approximate 10 year time lag before real production starts.

The reason why they propose Alaska is because it is out of sight, out of
mind. They would get better results if they copied Brasil and started
true deep-sea exploration. Brasil has slowly become a net energy producer
rather than importer thanks to Petrobras becoming experts in true deep
level expoloration. Also, at the current high price of oil, Venezuela has
more deep sea reserves than the Middle East.

But, even if the rigs are way off on the horizon, they still aren't out of
sight and therefore aren't out of mind. Certain individuals would rather
keep the rigs out of sight and thus out of mind.

--
-Glennl
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gl4316@*****.com wrote:
> In article <Eb2dnViY7Oxj9oLVnZ2dnUVZ_s_inZ2d@earthlink.com> , Bolwerk
> <no@way.org2> wrote:
>
>> What is feasible, maybe, is drilling in the Arctic Wildlife Reserve,
>> where there could be more oil. It might make a few people rich, but
>> everything I've read seems to suggest that it won't have any meaningful
>> effect on supply.
>
>
> The stuff I've seen suggests that it would take a great deal of time to
> get everything up and running - to the point where you are looking at an
> approximate 10 year time lag before real production starts.
>
> The reason why they propose Alaska is because it is out of sight, out of
> mind. They would get better results if they copied Brasil and started
> true deep-sea exploration. Brasil has slowly become a net energy producer
> rather than importer thanks to Petrobras becoming experts in true deep
> level expoloration. Also, at the current high price of oil, Venezuela has
> more deep sea reserves than the Middle East.
>
> But, even if the rigs are way off on the horizon, they still aren't out of
> sight and therefore aren't out of mind. Certain individuals would rather
> keep the rigs out of sight and thus out of mind.

Yeah, well, just because it's feasible doesn't mean it's a good idea.

I can think of no better solution that slowly, steadily weening
ourselves off oil. That will mean some pain, but it's better than
sticking our fingers in our ears and waking up one day with $12/gallon
gasoline.

Ruben wrote:
> On Tue, 06 May 2008 09:06:48 +0100, Martin Edwards wrote:
>
>> Ruben wrote:
>>> [quoted text muted]
>> What a load of bollocks. The American city centres I've seen hardly
>> qualify as cities at all. The streets are never busy: they are just
>> collections of buildings.
>
> Like the Wall Street....

Come on, even you have to realize NY is more a sui generis example of
American urbanism than anything. It has more in common with London or
Tokyo or even a lesser European city than it does with, say, Atlanta or
Los Angeles.

"Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>
> Second, coal is only used in significant quantities in the northern
> and eastern US. It's in the single-digit percentages in the
> south/west US. Virtually the entire base load where I live is nuclear,
> and the peaking is handled with NG. The electric company has been
> trying to shut down their one coal plant for years but ERCOT won't let
> them until they bring more nuclear capacity online (which, until
> recently, was impossible to get a permit for) to keep the grid
> reserves up.

2004 numbers show that for the state of Texas, electricity consumed came
from the following sources:

Coal 39
Natural Gas 48
Hydro **
Nuclear 11
Other 3

Thus, coal makes up a significant portion of the fuel used in that state.
Certainly more than single digit percentages.

Further, I would guess that the majority of coal mined in Wyoming's Powder
River basin is destined to the southeast.

"bobgnote" <bobgnote@**********> wrote in message
news:ba67a1e7-2a91-4f98-9f82-aff7ee927f34@y22g2000prd.************.com...
> Those darned Austrians, you know?
Remember what happened the last time an Austrian seized power?

On Jun 5, 2:32 pm, "Bernie Kovack" <berniekovac...@*****.com> wrote:
> "bobgnote" <bobgn...@**********> wrote in message
>
> news:ba67a1e7-2a91-4f98-9f82-aff7ee927f34@y22g2000prd.************.com...> Those darned Austrians, you know?
>
> Remember what happened the last time an Austrian seized power?

Kurt Waldheim was no Boutros Galli or Kofi Annan, but he wasn't a
terrible Secretary General.

On Jun 6, 12:45 am, David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> On 6/5/2008 8:27 PM Peter T. Daniels spake thus:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 5, 2:32 pm, "Bernie Kovack" <berniekovac...@*****.com> wrote:
>
> >> "bobgnote" <bobgn...@**********> wrote in message
>
> >>news:ba67a1e7-2a91-4f98-9f82-aff7ee927f34@y22g2000prd.************.com....> Those darned Austrians, you know?
>
> >> Remember what happened the last time an Austrian seized power?
>
> > Kurt Waldheim was no Boutros Galli or Kofi Annan, but he wasn't a
> > terrible Secretary General.
>
> And of course we all remember that coup where he forced his way in as
> head of the U.N. ...

You don't think he was picked at random, do you? No more than Pope
Ratzinger was selected purely via divine guidance.

In article <4849751e$0$4968$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com >,
David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:

> On 6/6/2008 5:33 AM Peter T. Daniels spake thus:
>
> > On Jun 6, 12:45 am, David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/5/2008 8:27 PM Peter T. Daniels spake thus:
> >>
> >>> On Jun 5, 2:32 pm, "Bernie Kovack" <berniekovac...@*****.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> "bobgnote" <bobgn...@**********> wrote in message
> >>>>news:ba67a1e7-2a91-4f98-9f82-aff7ee927f34@y22g2000prd.************.com...

> >>>> Remember what happened the last time an Austrian seized power?
> >>
> >>> Kurt Waldheim was no Boutros Galli or Kofi Annan, but he wasn't a
> >>> terrible Secretary General.
> >>
> >> And of course we all remember that coup where he forced his way in as
> >> head of the U.N. ...
> >
> > You don't think he was picked at random, do you? No more than Pope
> > Ratzinger was selected purely via divine guidance.
>
> Of course he wasn't picked at random, but there's a rather large
> distance between "not picked at random" and "seized power", wouldn't you
> say?

I thought the reference to the "last time an Austrian seized power"
referred to that fellow in Germany in the 1930s.

Merritt

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Jun 6, 12:45 am, David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>> On 6/5/2008 8:27 PM Peter T. Daniels spake thus:
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2:32 pm, "Bernie Kovack" <berniekovac...@*****.com> wrote:
>>>> "bobgnote" <bobgn...@**********> wrote in message
>>>> news:ba67a1e7-2a91-4f98-9f82-aff7ee927f34@y22g2000prd.************.com...> Those darned Austrians, you know?
>>>> Remember what happened the last time an Austrian seized power?
>>> Kurt Waldheim was no Boutros Galli or Kofi Annan, but he wasn't a
>>> terrible Secretary General.
>> And of course we all remember that coup where he forced his way in as
>> head of the U.N. ...
>
> You don't think he was picked at random, do you? No more than Pope
> Ratzinger was selected purely via divine guidance.

And you know what he was in charge of before that.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”

Merritt Mullen wrote:
> In article <4849751e$0$4968$822641b3@news.adtechcomputers.com >,
> David Nebenzahl <nobody@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>
>> On 6/6/2008 5:33 AM Peter T. Daniels spake thus:
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 12:45 am, David Nebenzahl <nob...@but.us.chickens> wrote:
>> >
>>>> On 6/5/2008 8:27 PM Peter T. Daniels spake thus:
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2:32 pm, "Bernie Kovack" <berniekovac...@*****.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "bobgnote" <bobgn...@**********> wrote in message
>>>>>> news:ba67a1e7-2a91-4f98-9f82-aff7ee927f34@y22g2000prd.************.com...
>
>>>>>> Remember what happened the last time an Austrian seized power?
>>>>> Kurt Waldheim was no Boutros Galli or Kofi Annan, but he wasn't a
>>>>> terrible Secretary General.
>>>> And of course we all remember that coup where he forced his way in as
>>>> head of the U.N. ...
>>> You don't think he was picked at random, do you? No more than Pope
>>> Ratzinger was selected purely via divine guidance.
>> Of course he wasn't picked at random, but there's a rather large
>> distance between "not picked at random" and "seized power", wouldn't you
>> say?
>
> I thought the reference to the "last time an Austrian seized power"
> referred to that fellow in Germany in the 1930s.
>
> Merritt

I think it was, but it was a bit more complicated than that. He was
appointed by the President, a Prussian aristocrat, using his emergency
powers. The traditional conservatives though they could control him.

--
Corporate society looks after everything. All it asks of anyone, all it
has ever asked of anyone, is that they do not interfere with management
decisions. -From “Rollerball”