The Public Says No Congestion Tax

In article <pan.2008.04.25.01.05.53.71003@www2.mrbrklyn.com >, Ruben
<ruben@www2.mrbrklyn.com> wrote:

>
>
> And I already refuted the gibberish about Brooklyn wanting to be taxed to
> drive in our own city with a dozen or more polls.

But still haven't answered my question - why should Brooklyn and Queens
avoid being charged to drive in their own city when Staten Island
already is?

On Apr 25, 9:50 am, danny burstein <dan...@panix.com> wrote:
> In <fusn41$pf...@reader2.panix.com> ste...@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) writes:
>
> >The L.I Sound and Rockaways bridges are also inter-NYC crossings
> >and also have tolls.
>
> What LI Sound bridge?

Where would you say the East River ends and the Long Island Sound
starts?

danny burstein wrote:
> In <NemdnUfrDfswjI_VnZ2dnUVZ_vCdnZ2d@earthlink.com> Bolwerk <no@way.org2> writes:
>>> Why should the folk on Brooklyn and Queens
>>> be penalized just because folk on
>>> Staten Island allow themselves to be
>>> ripped off in this manner?
>
>> SI is ripped off by not having Subway access
>
> Staent Island has that subway (well, it's open air)
> of its very own, thank-you-very-mcuh. It even
> has its own police force. Which is more
> than the main NYS subway system can claim
> these days.

If you call that a Subway.

Either way, it's disconnected from the rest of the city.

> (Maybe someone can explain just why SIRTOA
> even exists as a separate entity, and why
> it's got its own police?)

It was historically a railroad. It probably needed to operate under
different union rules when the MTA took it over, for one. It's also
subject to FRA regulations, unlike the Subway.

The MTA wanted to merge it into the same operational unit as the
Subways, but the state legislature sat on it.

In article <pan.2008.04.25.15.48.55.589028@www2.mrbrklyn.com> , Ruben
<ruben@www2.mrbrklyn.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 08:29:56 -0400, Alex L wrote:
>
> >
> > But still haven't answered my question - why should Brooklyn and Queens
> > avoid being charged to drive in their own city when Staten Island
> > already is?
>
> Because Brooklyn and Queens entered this union on that condition and
> Staten Island did NOT.

Brooklyn and Queens entered what union on which condition?

In 1898, when Greater New York was formed, there was ONE bridge from
Brooklyn to Manhattan - and it had a toll. Staten Island had no bridge,
and, therefore, no toll. Maybe it's time to restore things to the way
they used to be?
>
> What does this have to do with anything anyway. You have resident
> discounts for the Verazanno

and you have FOUR free bridges (and it's Verrazano)

> ....and to my knowledge a free ferry

Yeah - but it doesn't take cars, so it's not much use when talking
about driving to Manhattan. Or should I mention the 16 subway lines
coming out of Brooklyn alone?

> ...duh This is a specious point.
>
> Ruben

On Apr 25, 10:36 pm, Ruben <ru...@www2.mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:10:26 -0400, Alex L wrote:
> >> I have no idea about ever being an tolls on the Bridge but its been free
> >> since the Union of the City and it will remain so.
>
> > Nope - the tolls were removed in 1910 - twelve years after
> > Consolidation.
>
> Nope, the tolls were sunseted as part of the copromise which fomred the
> Union.

They "co-promised" each other to be faithful until death did them
part?

Regardless of when they were "sunseted," "the Bridge" was not free
"since the Union of the City."

In article <48133532.10008@**************>, Joseph D. Korman
<joekor@**************> wrote:

> Ruben wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 25 Apr 2008 17:00:22 -0400, Joseph D. Korman wrote:
> >
> >
> >>For a little while, it was actually under the SI Bus Division, makes
> >>sense, when you think about it service wise. I believe it's now under
> >>the TA Subway control now. In fact the R-44 cars are about to be
> >>overhauled in Coney Island as an interim until new cars can be ordered.
> >
> >
> > How do the cars get transported to Brooklyn?
> >
> > Ruben
> >
>
> From what I understand, they are brought back and forth by truck. I'm
> trying to get more info on this. It's not the first time subway cars
> have been transported that way.

No more info necessary - they do indeed go back and forth by truck.
>
> A few years ago, I spotted a new IRT car on a flatbed trailer crossing
> the GW Bridge. Unfortunately I had no camera handy, not even a cell phone.

In article <pan.2008.04.26.18.49.02.347928@www2.mrbrklyn.com> , Ruben
<ruben@www2.mrbrklyn.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 09:59:14 -0400, Joseph D. Korman wrote:
>
> >
> >> How do the cars get transported to Brooklyn?
> >>
> >> Ruben
> >>
> >
> > From what I understand, they are brought back and forth by truck. I'm
> > trying to get more info on this. It's not the first time subway cars
> > have been transported that way.
> >
> > A few years ago, I spotted a new IRT car on a flatbed trailer crossing
> > the GW Bridge. Unfortunately I had no camera handy, not even a cell phone.
>
> What kind of truch can go over the Verrazono with a subway car on it's
> back.

One that carries an OVERSIZE LOAD placard on its back and has an escort
team travel with it.

> And that would be a lot of trucks.

And it takes one truck per subway car. SIRT tends to send them over
two at a time, so it takes two trucks. Kawasaki send them down from
Westchester four or five at a time, so it takes five trucks max.
>
> Wasn't there a rail ferry that connected to 36th street?

There was (still is) but the other end is in New Jersey. And the
Brooklyn end isn't doing so great, since the City has driven the
operator to the virtual edge of bankruptcy (because some nit from
Brooklyn thinks an under-harbor tunnel would be better).
>
> Ruben

On Apr 30, 12:56 pm, Ruben <ru...@www2.mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:46:12 -0400, Bolwerk wrote:
> > But only with Ruben's permission.
>
> You have my permission to walk into the bear cage in the Central Park Zoo.

You don't have the authority to grant such permission.

On Apr 30, 3:30 pm, Ruben <ru...@www2.mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:09:54 +0000, Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>
> > You're a lovely fellow.
>
> But 8 bicks richer today then I would have been if I'd left city
> government in your hands.
>
> Now I'm going to buy a slice of Piazza and a coke with my 8 bucks.

Could anything be more pathetic?

On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:04:45 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:

>On Apr 30, 3:30 pm, Ruben <ru...@www2.mrbrklyn.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:09:54 +0000, Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
>>
>> > You're a lovely fellow.
>>
>> But 8 bicks richer today then I would have been if I'd left city
>> government in your hands.
>>
>> Now I'm going to buy a slice of Piazza and a coke with my 8 bucks.
>
>Could anything be more pathetic?

Ask Mr. Piazza how he feels about being sliced up.

--
Peter Schleifer
"Save me from the people who would save me from myself"