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Old 13th April 2008, 10:18 AM   #1 (permalink)
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It's funny, almost sad about the amazing deteriation of the F line. Ever
since the much ballyhooed Rider Report Cards, the F is horribly dirty, has
an amazing amount of scratchiti/aciditi, much more so than ever before -
there almost no untouched cars, and many other problems.

The R-46's have many cars without working LCD signage. There are many cars
that have no working air movement or so little that sounds that used to be
subdued by the blowing air, warm or cold, is much more noticable. In fact,
some of the older cars are quieter.

For some reason, they will no longer use the express tracks in Brooklyn to
route trains around problem trains, so much so, now they will
inconvenience everyone from Coney Island to West 4 Street in the rusch
hour by rerouting the F on the B or D line when there is a problem at
Carroll Street! This has happened twice in the last few weeks. Never mind
the number of times trains are stuck and they will not switch the backed
up train to express so some people can get to work or home without 40
minute delyas for all F riders.

Plus, despite the MTA, since the fare increase, there have been service
cuts. There is an average of 1 to 2 minutes increased time between trains
especially in rush hour. Trains and platforms are much more croweded than
before the fare increase.

Never mind the complete incompetance in scheduling that forces the F to
wait while a G or a V is placed in front of the F. There is enouch time
for equal spacing so that this should hardly ever happen, yet it always
does.

Then again, maybe the enired 6th Avenue line is screwed up. I used to be
able to catch a B or D at either Broadway-Lafayette or West 4th, so that I
could skip 14th and 23rd Streets, Haven't been able to make that
connection in weeks.

MTA management is more incompetent than I ever thought they were.

-SCH! (Stuart C. Hellinger sch@panix.com)
 
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Old 13th April 2008, 01:28 PM   #2 (permalink)
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On Apr 13, 10:18 am, s...@panix.com wrote:

> Then again, maybe the enired 6th Avenue line is screwed up. I used to be
> able to catch a B or D at either Broadway-Lafayette or West 4th, so that I
> could skip 14th and 23rd Streets, Haven't been able to make that
> connection in weeks.


How much time do you suppose that dazzling move might have saved you?
 
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Old 13th April 2008, 08:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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On Apr 13, 1:28 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 10:18 am, s...@panix.com wrote:
>
> > Then again, maybe the enired 6th Avenue line is screwed up. I used to be
> > able to catch a B or D at either Broadway-Lafayette or West 4th, so that I
> > could skip 14th and 23rd Streets, Haven't been able to make that
> > connection in weeks.

>
> How much time do you suppose that dazzling move might have saved you?


Hey, you're the guy who wrote you walked the length of the train
(across cars) just so you would end up where your chosen exit was.
 
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Old 14th April 2008, 12:46 AM   #4 (permalink)
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On Apr 13, 8:53 pm, JohnAnon <JohnA...@nyc.> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 1:28 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
> > On Apr 13, 10:18 am, s...@panix.com wrote:

>
> > > Then again, maybe the enired 6th Avenue line is screwed up. I used to be
> > > able to catch a B or D at either Broadway-Lafayette or West 4th, so that I
> > > could skip 14th and 23rd Streets, Haven't been able to make that
> > > connection in weeks.

>
> > How much time do you suppose that dazzling move might have saved you?

>
> Hey, you're the guy who wrote you walked the length of the train
> (across cars) just so you would end up where your chosen exit was.


Since I would have to walk the distance anyway, why shouldn't I do it
when it doesn't add time to the journey?

You're almost as clever as mrbrklyn, it seems.
 
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Old 14th April 2008, 07:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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On Sun, 13 Apr 2008 14:18:39 +0000 (UTC), sch@panix.com wrote:

>For some reason, they will no longer use the express tracks in Brooklyn to
>route trains around problem trains,


"Some reason" being the fire several years ago at Bergen St that
destroyed the equipment needed to operate those switches (they can be
moved manually which is OK for a weekend of diversions but can't be
done in the middle of rush hour). Rebuilding was apparently not a
priority, but it is supposed to be possible again real soon now.

The MTA has promised to consider extending the V to Church as an
express in 2012 (after the viaduct reconstruction is complete), so the
switches should be operational by then.

--
Peter Schleifer
"Save me from the people who would save me from myself"
 
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Old 14th April 2008, 09:06 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> You're almost as clever as mrbrklyn, it seems.


That's low. >:-|
 
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Old 14th April 2008, 10:58 AM   #7 (permalink)
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On Apr 13, 1:28 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 10:18 am, s...@panix.com wrote:
>
> > Then again, maybe the enired 6th Avenue line is screwed up. I used to be
> > able to catch a B or D at either Broadway-Lafayette or West 4th, so that I
> > could skip 14th and 23rd Streets, Haven't been able to make that
> > connection in weeks.

>
> How much time do you suppose that dazzling move might have saved you?


Surely that's the least important point in the post.

Chris
 
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Old 14th April 2008, 11:27 AM   #8 (permalink)
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On Apr 14, 12:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
> On Apr 13, 8:53 pm, JohnAnon <JohnA...@nyc.> wrote:
>
> > On Apr 13, 1:28 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
> > > On Apr 13, 10:18 am, s...@panix.com wrote:

>
> > > > Then again, maybe the enired 6th Avenue line is screwed up. I used to be
> > > > able to catch a B or D at either Broadway-Lafayette or West 4th, so that I
> > > > could skip 14th and 23rd Streets, Haven't been able to make that
> > > > connection in weeks.

>
> > > How much time do you suppose that dazzling move might have saved you?

>
> > Hey, you're the guy who wrote you walked the length of the train
> > (across cars) just so you would end up where your chosen exit was.

>
> Since I would have to walk the distance anyway, why shouldn't I do it
> when it doesn't add time to the journey?


You're not supposed to travel between cars.
 
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Old 14th April 2008, 01:52 PM   #9 (permalink)
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On Apr 14, 11:27 am, JohnAnon <JohnA...@nyc.> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 12:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 13, 8:53 pm, JohnAnon <JohnA...@nyc.> wrote:

>
> > > On Apr 13, 1:28 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
> > > > On Apr 13, 10:18 am, s...@panix.com wrote:

>
> > > > > Then again, maybe the enired 6th Avenue line is screwed up. I used to be
> > > > > able to catch a B or D at either Broadway-Lafayette or West 4th, so that I
> > > > > could skip 14th and 23rd Streets, Haven't been able to make that
> > > > > connection in weeks.

>
> > > > How much time do you suppose that dazzling move might have saved you?

>
> > > Hey, you're the guy who wrote you walked the length of the train
> > > (across cars) just so you would end up where your chosen exit was.

>
> > Since I would have to walk the distance anyway, why shouldn't I do it
> > when it doesn't add time to the journey?

>
> You're not supposed to travel between cars.-


Then do it along the platform.
 
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On Apr 14, 1:52 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 11:27 am, JohnAnon <JohnA...@nyc.> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Apr 14, 12:46 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:

>
> > > On Apr 13, 8:53 pm, JohnAnon <JohnA...@nyc.> wrote:

>
> > > > On Apr 13, 1:28 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
> > > > > On Apr 13, 10:18 am, s...@panix.com wrote:

>
> > > > > > Then again, maybe the enired 6th Avenue line is screwed up. I used to be
> > > > > > able to catch a B or D at either Broadway-Lafayette or West 4th, so that I
> > > > > > could skip 14th and 23rd Streets, Haven't been able to make that
> > > > > > connection in weeks.

>
> > > > > How much time do you suppose that dazzling move might have saved you?

>
> > > > Hey, you're the guy who wrote you walked the length of the train
> > > > (across cars) just so you would end up where your chosen exit was.

>
> > > Since I would have to walk the distance anyway, why shouldn't I do it
> > > when it doesn't add time to the journey?

>
> > You're not supposed to travel between cars.-

>
> Then do it along the platform.


I'll do it in my pants, dammit !

 
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