Fares, cards, transfers (subway, bus, and MetroNorth)

On Apr 14, 11:56 am, JohnAnon <JohnA...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> On Apr 14, 12:47 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 13, 8:59 pm, JohnAnon <JohnA...@nyc.rr.com> wrote:
> > > On Apr 8, 11:33 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:

> > > > My PATH SmartCard came in the mail the other day (only five weeks
> > > > after requesting it on Centennial Day, and today I used it for the
> > > > first time. It works without taking it out of my wallet. Next time
> > > > I'll try not opening the wallet.
>
> > > How often do you go to Joisey?
>
> > I figure about three times a month. (Coming back from an errand or
> > event in the city.)
>
> > And you?
>
> It might be four years since I traveled there.
>
> Is that gawd awful statue of a Polish soldier getting impaled by a
> rifle blade still there?

Still where?

Nwe Jersey, though it may look small on a map of the US, still covers
quite a few square miles.

On Apr 15, 3:14 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Apr 8, 7:58 pm, Michael Finfer <fin...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> > Charlie is the protagonist in an old protest song about a transit fare
> > increase in Boston.  That song, MTA, was popularized by The Kingston
> > Trio.  It's a great song and is worth a listen.
>
> If I understand the song correctly, the fare increase involved an exit
> fare.  Charlie's wife has to come down and hand him a sandwich as the
> train comes rumbling through.  Why doesn't she give him the nickel or
> dime to get out?

Some spoilsport asks that question every time the song is mentioned
here.

Ruben wrote:

> On Sat, 19 Apr 2008 16:18:59 -0400, John S wrote:
>
> > Also, Delaware owns a small slice of land on the north/east side of the Delaware Bay due to shifted shore lines and spoils, so Delaware has gotten
> > slightly larger over the years. The NJ terminus of the former Pennsville-New Castle ferry is partially situated in Delaware.
>
> Delware and Jersey argueing over square miles does have it's irony.

Oh? Where did you hear about an argument over square miles?

On Apr 20, 12:09 am, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Apr 19, 1:47 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> > Does the area change from decade to decade? It's not like the Delaware
> > shifts course every so often like the Rio Grande or the Missouri.
>
> Actually, the state of Delaware keeps stealing NJ land thanks to some
> fluke in the border line.
>
> Some beaches are eroding.  I guess that means Spain is enlarging at
> NJ's expense.
>
> Staten Island was stolen from NJ.  Some day it will be taken back.

Good riddance.

The bargain for the transfer was entirely legitimate, but what were
they thinking??

On Apr 20, 7:46 am, Robert Coe <b...@1776.COM> wrote:
> On Tue, 8 Apr 2008 20:33:29 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"<gramma...@verizon.net> wrote:
> : On Apr 8, 10:41 am, nath...@mit.edu (Nathan J. Williams) wrote:
> : > David Chesler <ches...@post.harvard.edu> writes:

> : > >  How long have they been lasting?  How long are they supposed to
> : > > last?  I think the proximity cards are supposed to last a lot longer.
> : > > (That's not necessarily a good thing, since it is more bulk to carry;
> : > > for now the MBTA is giving them away, but they are probably
> : > > considerably more expensive than thinner, or more disposable, cards.)
> : >
> : > The T has been paying their supplier about $1 each for the
> : > CharlieCards, just so that data point is out there.
> :
> : My PATH SmartCard came in the mail the other day (only five weeks
> : after requesting it on Centennial Day, and today I used it for the
> : first time. It works without taking it out of my wallet. Next time
> : I'll try not opening the wallet.
>
> Don't keep the card in your wallet. When you wave your wallet at the fare
> gate, you tell the station's pickpockets where you carry it.

(a) Show me pickpockets (show me anyone) at Grove St. -- there's
rarely anyone at the kiosk other than the newsstand guy.

(b) Show me pickpockets at WTC (well, maybe I won't be using that
station until the rebuilding is finished).

(c) Where would you suggest I keep it? I don't carry a purse.

Not opening the wallet didn't work.

On Apr 21, 4:38 pm, Ron Newman <rnew...@thecia.net> wrote:
> In article <4d94e115-f29b-46a8-9929-1a63e4013...@k37g2000hsf.************.com>,
> Peter T. Daniels says...
>
>
>
> >> Target: 70 or 70A bus from Central Square to Watertown Mall. =A0Or 80, 87,=
> > or 88
> >> bus from Lechmere station to Poplar Street (then walk under/across McGrath=
> >> Highway).
>
> >You're in the wrong newsgroup.
>
> How so?  The question was asked in ne.transportation, and I replied there.
> These bus routes are all in New England.

But they won't get me there from Jersey City Heights.

On Apr 21, 4:38 pm, Ron Newman <rnew...@thecia.net> wrote:
> In article <4d94e115-f29b-46a8-9929-1a63e4013...@k37g2000hsf.************.com>,
> Peter T. Daniels says...
>
>
>
> >> Target: 70 or 70A bus from Central Square to Watertown Mall. =A0Or 80, 87,=
> > or 88
> >> bus from Lechmere station to Poplar Street (then walk under/across McGrath=
> >> Highway).
>
> >You're in the wrong newsgroup.
>
> How so?  The question was asked in ne.transportation, and I replied there.
> These bus routes are all in New England.

For some inexplicable reason, the OP (David Chester) added the ne
group when he mentioned the Charlie Card in connection with his
question about the lifespan of a MetroCard. There has been no ne
content in this thread.

Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
> Bolwerk <no@way.org2> wrote:
>> Heh, to be fair to Ruben (who obviously speaks for everybody who lives
>> in Brooklyn), Brooklyn is the only borough that might be within the
>> margin of error of the poll.
>
> Honestly, I find it quite remarkable that it's even this close
> to 50/50.
>
> In London and Stockholm, the experience was that there was a
> majority of opposition before Congestion Pricing went into
> effect, which switched to a majority of support once everyone
> saw the results. So the fact that Brooklyn, which is supposedly
> the seat of the opposition, would be this close to 50/50 before
> implementation bodes well for the future of CP in NYC.

NYC probably has a better, more extensive public transportation system
than London. And the actual cost of driving certainly did drop because
of the congestion fee in London, thanks to the cost of gasoline being so
high there.

That, and we have the benefit of hindsight: except among a few rightwing
naysayers, London and Stockholm are regarded as pretty obvious successes.

What doesn't bode well is that suburbanites still have the power to stop
this from going through apparently.

On Apr 22, 10:33 am, Bolwerk <n...@way.org2> wrote:
> Steven M. O'Neill wrote:
> > Bolwerk  <n...@way.org2> wrote:
> >> Heh, to be fair to Ruben (who obviously speaks for everybody who lives
> >> in Brooklyn), Brooklyn is the only borough that might be within the
> >> margin of error of the poll.
>
> > Honestly, I find it quite remarkable that it's even this close
> > to 50/50.
>
> > In London and Stockholm, the experience was that there was a
> > majority of opposition before Congestion Pricing went into
> > effect, which switched to a majority of support once everyone
> > saw the results.  So the fact that Brooklyn, which is supposedly
> > the seat of the opposition, would be this close to 50/50 before
> > implementation bodes well for the future of CP in NYC.
>
> NYC probably has a better, more extensive public transportation system
> than London.  And the actual cost of driving certainly did drop because
> of the congestion fee in London, thanks to the cost of gasoline being so
> high there.
>
> That, and we have the benefit of hindsight: except among a few rightwing
> naysayers, London and Stockholm are regarded as pretty obvious successes.
>
> What doesn't bode well is that suburbanites still have the power to stop
> this from going through apparently.

Sheldon Silver isn't a suburbanite.

Well, I take that back. I _have_ seen BPC a few times.

On Apr 26, 12:32 pm, jdoe <j...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 26 Apr 2008 07:46:52 -0400, David J. P. Long
>
> <djlong@wild_wizards.net> wrote:
> >hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>
> >>Staten Island was stolen from NJ.  Some day it will be taken back.
>
> >I hardly think so.  Staten Island seceding from New York City is
> >entirely possible (and referendum on that topic come up every now and
> >then) but New Jersey forcibly taking back Richmond County?  
>
> >As far as being stolen from NJ, it's been part of New York (the
> >colony, now the state) since 1667.
>
> '
> I don't think NJ would want SI back,

NJ sire wouldn't want marc kortlander back. Maybe Brooklyn would.