NJT Multilevels on M&E

In article <47CAE383.9050800@>,
"Joseph D. Korman" <joekor@> wrote:

> I understand that train 6620 - 7:33AM from Dover uses the multilevels.

Do any other trains (other times) use multilevels on the M&E?

> Also the eastbound track at Broad St Newark almost ready to return to
> service. Next the middle track will be taken out of service to raise it
> to the new platform level and replace the ties.

How long until the whole station is finished?

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>Do any other trains (other times) use
>multilevels on the M&E?

No. I actually saw that train whizz by me on Monday as I was headed in
the opposite direction. I've still yet to see this mystery set which is
said to run on the Montclair branch, but I have personally seen them in
operation on the North Jersey Coast Line.

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"Whatever you do, don't stick your head in the oven" - Keith Hernandez,
on how to end a batting slump

>From what I understand, it's the first and
>only train for now. Like many of the loco
>hauled trains, they have a hard time
>keeping the schedule if there are many
>stops.

Boy, is that the truth. The ex-Lackawanna lines need MU's, they're built
like subway lines.

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"Whatever you do, don't stick your head in the oven" - Keith Hernandez,
on how to end a batting slump

>My understanding is that the Arrow IV's
>will be able to make the voltage
>change-over at Kearny Jct.

Anyone know the status of these mythical Arrow IV's? Outside the
multilevels, NJT hasn't announced any firm plans to purchase more
rolling stock.

--
"Whatever you do, don't stick your head in the oven" - Keith Hernandez,
on how to end a batting slump

>The 1968 MTA Program for Action
>included a connection of what's today the
>Suffern-Port Jervis and maybe Spring
>Valley lines to Penn Station NY.

Looks like that was like Midtown Direct for the ex-Erie lines. IIRC, NJT
still has hopes of connecting those lines to Midtown via ARC.


--
"Whatever you do, don't stick your head in the oven" - Keith Hernandez,
on how to end a batting slump

>August 28, 1984: First day of service for
>the Arrow IIIs.

I thought the Arrow III's were older than that.

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"Whatever you do, don't stick your head in the oven" - Keith Hernandez,
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Joseph D. Korman wrote:

> So, should NJT have used the existing NEC electrification standards?
> That didn't seem to be going anywhere. What about the North Jersey
> Coast line, they have the same problem. The NEC MU's can't operate all
> the way to Long Branch. The voltage changes at Matawan. Only the loco
> hauled trains can get to Long Branch.
>

The voltage change west of Lloyd occurred a few years ago and was done
because NJT was having some sort of problem with peak loads.
Originally, the Arrows could run to Long Branch.

If anyone has more details, please jump in here.

Michael Finfer
Bridgewater, NJ

>It wasn't NJT back then. I think it was
>New Jersey DOT.

Same basic thing.

>They could have ordered the Arrow IIIs
>with automatic tap-changers on the
>transformers but if they had and Amtrak
>had converted their catenary people would
>be writing here about how they wasted
>money on a feature they don't use.

Better to have a feature and not need it than to not have it and need
it.

--
"Whatever you do, don't stick your head in the oven" - Keith Hernandez,
on how to end a batting slump

>Yes, my first thought (last year when I
>reviewed some of my web pages) wow
>the MTA was talking midtown direct. But
>the other day, I read it again and I
>realized it was for the lines that run
>through to NY state.

I would hope so. Jersey should pay for it's own transit.

--
"Whatever you do, don't stick your head in the oven" - Keith Hernandez,
on how to end a batting slump

Joseph D. Korman wrote:
> Phil Kane wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 7 Mar 2008 18:38:56 -0600, "Stephen Sprunk"
>> <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>> The Arrow III fleet can do either, but can't change on the fly like
>>> the locos. Presumably the Arrow IV will be able to change on the
>>> fly, which will make the conversion (if money is ever found for it)
>>> much easier.
>>
>>
>> Speaking about changing on the fly, where do the Amtrak Genesys-es
>> change from diesel to third rail coming into NYP? The one time I took
>> the Lake Shore Limited (7-1/2 years ago) I couldn't sense it.
>> --
>>
>> "Stand Clear of the Closing Doors, Please"
>> Phil Kane - Beaverton, OR
>> PNW Milepost 755 - Tillamook District
>>
>
> According to a LIRR/MNCR track map, the catenary and 3rd rail begin in
> the tunnel at about 40th St in the middle of the main line part of the wye.
>
> Sorry, I can't find the original URL for this great PDF file, it's not
> mine, so I can't post it on my web page.

You could surreptitiously e-mail it to me. :-D