new PATH trains unveiled

>On the news last night (22-Jan-2008), a
>short clip showing off the new PATH
>trains.

Someone on another forum called them the "R160-C". Time for a little
more originality.

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On Jan 31, 2:02 pm, VINCE <HOLVBPH...@> wrote:
> hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> > On Jan 31, 12:26 am, Cyrus Afzali <pnsm...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
>
> >>For whatever reason, NJ-related systems just can't seem to get much
> >>out of their fleets. Before PATH's current move, NJT retired some cars
> >>that had nowhere near the typical age on them either.
>
> > But NYC has kept subway cars for a reasonable period of time.  They
> > got plenty of use of the older MNRR MU fleet and 30 years out of the
> > original M-1 fleet on LIRR and MNRR.  I think the original
> > Cosmopolitan NH MUs remain in service.
>
> > Boston is pretty bad.  I believe they're now replacing cars purchased
> > in 1980.
>
> I haven't rode the N in a while and now I did a few times the last
> couple of weeks and I'm seeing mostly the newish cars. Is this
> for good or are they still testing them?

They have these magic route maps that show the next dozen stations and
update at every stop. Would be nice to see them everywhere ...

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2:02 pm, VINCE <HOLVBPH...@> wrote:
>> hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>> On Jan 31, 12:26 am, Cyrus Afzali <pnsm...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
>>>> For whatever reason, NJ-related systems just can't seem to get much
>>>> out of their fleets. Before PATH's current move, NJT retired some cars
>>>> that had nowhere near the typical age on them either.
>>> But NYC has kept subway cars for a reasonable period of time. They
>>> got plenty of use of the older MNRR MU fleet and 30 years out of the
>>> original M-1 fleet on LIRR and MNRR. I think the original
>>> Cosmopolitan NH MUs remain in service.
>>> Boston is pretty bad. I believe they're now replacing cars purchased
>>> in 1980.
>> I haven't rode the N in a while and now I did a few times the last
>> couple of weeks and I'm seeing mostly the newish cars. Is this
>> for good or are they still testing them?
>
> They have these magic route maps that show the next dozen stations and
> update at every stop. Would be nice to see them everywhere ...

I prefer the older diagrams. Though I guess this makes it easier to
move equipment across different routes.

On Jan 31, 2:27 pm, Bolwerk <bolw...@> wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Jan 31, 2:02 pm, VINCE <HOLVBPH...@> wrote:
> >> hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> >>> On Jan 31, 12:26 am, Cyrus Afzali <pnsm...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
> >>>> For whatever reason, NJ-related systems just can't seem to get much
> >>>> out of their fleets. Before PATH's current move, NJT retired some cars
> >>>> that had nowhere near the typical age on them either.
> >>> But NYC has kept subway cars for a reasonable period of time.  They
> >>> got plenty of use of the older MNRR MU fleet and 30 years out of the
> >>> original M-1 fleet on LIRR and MNRR.  I think the original
> >>> Cosmopolitan NH MUs remain in service.
> >>> Boston is pretty bad.  I believe they're now replacing cars purchased
> >>> in 1980.
> >> I haven't rode the N in a while and now I did a few times the last
> >> couple of weeks and I'm seeing mostly the newish cars. Is this
> >> for good or are they still testing them?
>
> > They have these magic route maps that show the next dozen stations and
> > update at every stop. Would be nice to see them everywhere ...
>
> I prefer the older diagrams.  Though I guess this makes it easier to
> move equipment across different routes.-

I rode N's twice in recent weeks (which is two more times than in the
past ten years together) and noticed that it accommodated to a
nonstandard service pattern without a hitch -- the N ran local all the
way up from Canal. When the 4-5 runs local, with the old-fashioned
electronic sign, the best it can do is leave the "86" or "125" dot lit
until we get there. (Although the magic voices do know about the local
stops.)

On Jan 31, 2:35 pm, Phil Kane <Phil.K...@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> wrote:
> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:26:03 -0500, Cyrus Afzali <pnsm...@lnubb.pbz>
> wrote:
>
> >For whatever reason, NJ-related systems just can't seem to get much
> >out of their fleets. Before PATH's current move, NJT retired some cars
> >that had nowhere near the typical age on them either.
>
> Must be the "clean air" and "good living" in "Joisey"..... <grin>

It's not called the Garden State for nothing. Highest per capita
income state in the country. (Yes, higher even than Connecticut.)

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2:27 pm, Bolwerk <bolw...@> wrote:
>> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On Jan 31, 2:02 pm, VINCE <HOLVBPH...@> wrote:
>>>> hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>>>> On Jan 31, 12:26 am, Cyrus Afzali <pnsm...@lnubb.pbz> wrote:
>>>>>> For whatever reason, NJ-related systems just can't seem to get much
>>>>>> out of their fleets. Before PATH's current move, NJT retired some cars
>>>>>> that had nowhere near the typical age on them either.
>>>>> But NYC has kept subway cars for a reasonable period of time. They
>>>>> got plenty of use of the older MNRR MU fleet and 30 years out of the
>>>>> original M-1 fleet on LIRR and MNRR. I think the original
>>>>> Cosmopolitan NH MUs remain in service.
>>>>> Boston is pretty bad. I believe they're now replacing cars purchased
>>>>> in 1980.
>>>> I haven't rode the N in a while and now I did a few times the last
>>>> couple of weeks and I'm seeing mostly the newish cars. Is this
>>>> for good or are they still testing them?
>>> They have these magic route maps that show the next dozen stations and
>>> update at every stop. Would be nice to see them everywhere ...
>> I prefer the older diagrams. Though I guess this makes it easier to
>> move equipment across different routes.-
>
> I rode N's twice in recent weeks (which is two more times than in the
> past ten years together) and noticed that it accommodated to a
> nonstandard service pattern without a hitch -- the N ran local all the
> way up from Canal. When the 4-5 runs local, with the old-fashioned
> electronic sign, the best it can do is leave the "86" or "125" dot lit
> until we get there. (Although the magic voices do know about the local
> stops.)

I guess it would be too expensive to expect LCD screens that can
accommodate the old diagrams digitally. Of course, they could be used
for flashier advertising.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2:35 pm, Phil Kane <Phil.K...@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> wrote:
>> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:26:03 -0500, Cyrus Afzali <pnsm...@lnubb.pbz>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> For whatever reason, NJ-related systems just can't seem to get much
>>> out of their fleets. Before PATH's current move, NJT retired some cars
>>> that had nowhere near the typical age on them either.
>> Must be the "clean air" and "good living" in "Joisey"..... <grin>
>
> It's not called the Garden State for nothing. Highest per capita
> income state in the country. (Yes, higher even than Connecticut.)

I thought they picked "Garden State" because "Festering Dumping Ground
For Industrial Waste and Petrochemicals" was too long to fit on the
license plate. :-p

On Jan 31, 3:49 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Jan 31, 2:23 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
>
> > They have these magic route maps that show the next dozen stations and
> > update at every stop. Would be nice to see them everywhere
>
> Let's see how long they last before not working, for whatever reason.
>
> NJT has dead monitors in its stations from some failed program.  IIRC,
> so does PATH.

The PATH TVs work almost all the time, but they almost never show any
useful information.

On Fri, 01 Feb 2008 00:43:59 -0500, VINCE <HOLVBPHOTO@>
wrote:

>Err hello no one answered my question about the new N trains just like
>my other question of the other day about the F on D tracks.
>I guess no one knows.

Sorry, I only answer when I do know...

--
Peter Schleifer
"Save me from the people who would save me from myself"

On Feb 1, 10:13 am, ste...@panix.com (Steven M. O'Neill) wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels <gramma...@> wrote:
>
> >On Jan 31, 3:49 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> >> On Jan 31, 2:23 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
>
> >> > They have these magic route maps that show the next dozen stations and
> >> > update at every stop. Would be nice to see them everywhere
>
> >> Let's see how long they last before not working, for whatever reason.
>
> >> NJT has dead monitors in its stations from some failed program.  IIRC,
> >> so does PATH.
>
> >The PATH TVs work almost all the time, but they almost never show any
> >useful information.
>
> Don't they tell you when the next train is scheduled to arrive
> any more?
>
> -smo (has not regularly rode the PATH since 2001)

Once in a while. Certainly not several times before each train
arrives. (And those messages seem to relate to printed schedules
rather than to running trains, since sometimes they announce that the
train that just left will soon be here.)

PTD (has never ever rode the PATH before 2004)