JC to Newark Airport

On Jan 2, 10:17 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Jan 1, 6:03 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
>
> > The ads I've seen generally say $25 each way, so it's a wash.
>
> You know, it's a shame that despite a train station on the grounds and
> in a high density area, you're still forced to drive to the airport.

It was easier when I had to go to Buffalo for a funeral -- from JFK --
PATH to E to Airtrain.

> The only alternative I could see is a combo, such as perhaps driving
> to Newark Penn Sta or Journal Sq (what does parking cost there?) the
> train the rest of the way.  (Or getting a ride to those stations).
>
> A lot of people do use the Newark Train station; every train I ride
> has many people getting on/off with their luggage.  The Amk station at
> BWI does well, too.

JSQ parking is about $10/day for commuters (presumably there are
monthly etc. discounts). I don't know whether they do overnight or
long-term.

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:10:36 GMT, Bob Scheurle
<njtbob2@X-verizon-X.net> wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:06:34 -0500, Cyrus Afzali <pnsmnyv@lnubb.pbz>
>wrote:
>>
>>>The real problem is not the lack of vending machines, but NJ Transit's
>>>19th century fare collection methods.
>>
>>Which commuter rail does any differently? MNRR and LIRR collect fares
>>the exact same way.
>
>There are commuter rail systems all over North America using POP fare
>systems. Montreal, Toronto, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and more.
>
>At least some of them consider the platforms to be in the fare-paid area,
>so fare inspectors can check tickets on the platform, e.g., when people
>get off the train at their destination stations.

Right, but with the exception of BART, they're all much smaller
systems than any NYC area system. Personally, although it's
inefficient, I'd rather them stay with the current system than invest
scads that should go into infrastructure improvements.

On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 17:26:23 -0500, Cyrus Afzali <pnsmnyv@lnubb.pbz>
wrote:

>On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 22:10:36 GMT, Bob Scheurle
><njtbob2@X-verizon-X.net> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 07 Jan 2008 15:06:34 -0500, Cyrus Afzali <pnsmnyv@lnubb.pbz>
>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>The real problem is not the lack of vending machines, but NJ Transit's
>>>>19th century fare collection methods.
>>>
>>>Which commuter rail does any differently? MNRR and LIRR collect fares
>>>the exact same way.
>>
>>There are commuter rail systems all over North America using POP fare
>>systems. Montreal, Toronto, San Francisco, Los Angeles, and more.
>>
>>At least some of them consider the platforms to be in the fare-paid area,
>>so fare inspectors can check tickets on the platform, e.g., when people
>>get off the train at their destination stations.
>
>Right, but with the exception of BART, they're all much smaller
>systems than any NYC area system. Personally, although it's
>inefficient, I'd rather them stay with the current system than invest
>scads that should go into infrastructure improvements.

If you went with POP as done in Hamburg or Muncich (2 German cities
with true subways), you would eliminate all turnstiles and have
inspectors checking tickets. It would enable a zone system. While I
am skeptical of it working for institutional reasons the idea is worth
exploring.

On Tue, 8 Jan 2008 02:16:17 +0000 (UTC), info@analysisandsolutions.com
(Analysis&Solutions) wrote:

>In <6n95o35ap4h91nsis42l97a49v50ta4qdc@> Cyrus Afzali <pnsmnyv@lnubb.pbz> writes:
>
>> Personally, although it's
>>inefficient, I'd rather them stay with the current system than invest
>>scads that should go into infrastructure improvements.
>
>A proof of payment system doesn't need any infrastructure improvements.

Surely you get the connection? Honestly, I'm truly baffled here.
Implementing a system like that would cost money. I'd rather my money
be spent on an infrastructure improvement rather than potentially
eliminating one train crew member. I think they make WAYY too much
money for what they do, but they're still cheaper than putting what
you suggest across an entire system that runs in our metro area.