Facilities near special train "V" line terminals?

On Dec 9, 5:49 pm, Phil Kane <Phil.K...@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 05:19:14 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>
> <gramma...@> wrote:
> >What's "natural" about sugar, flour, vanilla, and chocolate? All are
> >very highly processed in a factory before they ever reach the
> >wholesale shelves that supply the baker.
>
> You got me there. On further examination of the stuff on the shelves
> here, those products do have OU certification. Spices do not need it,
> I was told.

They come from all over the world! Surely at some of the farms or
gardens or orchards, the sacks for carrying them might be made of pig
leather!

On Dec 9, 5:31 pm, Phil Kane <Phil.K...@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> wrote:
> On Fri, 7 Dec 2007 05:34:36 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
>
> <gramma...@> wrote:
> >What's the English word for rendered solidified beef fat?
>
> Suet.

That sounds right. A piecrust made with suet -- or a mince pie, now
you mention it -- can't be served with a dairy meal.

Phil Kane wrote:
> On Sat, 8 Dec 2007 05:19:14 -0800 (PST), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@> wrote:
>
>> What's "natural" about sugar, flour, vanilla, and chocolate? All are
>> very highly processed in a factory before they ever reach the
>> wholesale shelves that supply the baker.
>
> You got me there. On further examination of the stuff on the shelves
> here, those products do have OU certification. Spices do not need it,
> I was told.

Again, spices in their unprocessed form are fine, so if you've
grown them in your backyard herb garden and pick & chop them
yourself, no problem, but the ones that end up on your grocery
store shelf will have undergone various processing between
harvest and bottle which have the possibility of creating issues.

On Dec 10, 9:56 am, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Dec 10, 12:31 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
>
> > Yeah, and the Torah only says "Thou shalt not seethe a kid in its
> > mother's milk." So the whole meat/dairy megillah, at most, should
> > apply to goat's milk and kid meat.
>
> Why is chicken classified as meat for these purposes? I was told it
> was a "fence", kind of a protective border?

The phrase is indeed "a fence around the Torah," and it means that the
rabbis decreed that all sorts of things not explicitly prohibited in
the Law were prohibited lest you accidentally do a _really_ prohibited
thing. Have you ever been to a Passover Seder? Some of the lectures
there are like the arguments the rabbis make in the Talmud -- for
instance the one that calculates how many Plagues there _really_ were
(e.g. the Ten Plagues were sent by the Hand of God, so each of five
fingers did it, so there were 50 plagues ...)

There are a number of Talmud anthologies but I'd imagine they'd be
more likely to give you philosophical passages than passages about the
nitty-gritty of observing the Law and building fences.

On Dec 10, 11:42 am, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> > The phrase is indeed "a fence around the Torah," and it means that the
> > rabbis decreed that all sorts of things not explicitly prohibited in
> > the Law were prohibited lest you accidentally do a _really_ prohibited
> > thing. Have you ever been to a Passover Seder? Some of the lectures
> > there are like the arguments the rabbis make in the Talmud -- for
> > instance the one that calculates how many Plagues there _really_ were
> > (e.g. the Ten Plagues were sent by the Hand of God, so each of five
> > fingers did it, so there were 50 plagues ...)
>
> Not to want to offend anyone, but I'm not comfortable with Passover
> Seders. Per the above, I learned that the hostess is not too pleased
> when you attempt to symbolically drop a drop of wine for each of the
> ten plagues and it ends up on her nice tablecloth, or when you
> inadvertently flick your finger, on the shirt of a person sitting near
> you. I'm sitting there hungry, but there's stuff on the table you may
> not touch until specifically told to, and then only after a ritual.
> Munchies are not allowed! When you're invited someplace for dinner,
> they really should give you a hint when dinner will actually be
> served. So if I show up at six, I don't want to wait until ten to be
> served because the family is conducting a long religious ceremony for
> four hours that is, at least for me, quite boring. In the meantime,
> various kids will be climbing all over me searching for the secret
> matzah.

You might have taken five minutes to find out exactly what would be
occurring at the event.

As for being a slob wrt the drops of wine, well, presumably she must
have known what she was in for when she invited you. (Toothpicks are
fairly standard for that particular ritual.)