book on history of NY Post, subway content?

On Aug 24, 10:27 am, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> I heard that a book has been published on the history of the New York
> Post newspaper and its publisher, Dorothy Schift (sp?). Further, that
> this book has material on the subway system.

Schiff

> I checked amazon and the NYT but couldn't find a reference. Has
> anyone heard of this book, and if so, its contents?
>
> Thanks.

On Aug 24, 2:13 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> On Aug 24, 11:37 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
>
> > Schiff
>
> Thanks. With that, Amazon came up with the reference*:
>
> The Lady Upstairs: Dorothy Schiff and the New York Post by
> Marilyn Nissenson
>
> Amazon allowed a look at the index, nothing about subways. Only a few
> pages on La Guardia, I think Schiff took over on the tail end of the
> La Guardia era. I didn't realize she held onto it that long.
>
> >From the reviews it seems like it's an interesting book.

The Post was one of the few survivors of the 1962 newspaper strike --
NYC went from a 7-paper town to a 3-paper town. I think Dorothy Schiff
was independently wealthy and kept the Post going as the city's ultra-
liberal paper.

Then Murdoch bought it.

The papers that didn't make it were the Mirror (Daily News's direct
competition), the Herald Tribune (Times's closest competitor), the
World Telegram and Sun, and the Journal American. The last three
combined as the World Journal Tribune for a short time. The
International Herald Tribune is all that survives, and I believe it's
now owned by the New York Times.

Note that this is not on topic for nyc.transit.

On Aug 24, 7:57 pm, Tester <te...@test.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 24 Aug 2007 07:27:22 -0700, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> >I heard that a book has been published on the history of the New York
> >Post newspaper and its publisher, Dorothy Schift (sp?). Further, that
> >this book has material on the subway system.
>
> >I checked amazon and the NYT but couldn't find a reference. Has
> >anyone heard of this book, and if so, its contents?
>
> >Thanks.
>
> Of course, the Post goes back to Alexander Hamilton.
>
> Googling Dorothy Schiff I find a book entitled "The Lady Upstairs :
> Dorothy Schiff and the N.Y. Post".
> by Marilyn Nissenson.
>
> This book is currently available at brooklynpubliclibrary.org in Boro
> Park, biography section. It is due 8/29 at Grand Army Plaza (popular
> library, new books) and in mid-September in Gerritsen and Kings Bay. I
> couldn't find it at nypl.org or queenslibrary.org.

For that to be useful to hanco..., you'd have to find a copy in
Philadelphia.

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Aug 24, 2:13 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 11:37 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
>>
>>> Schiff
>> Thanks. With that, Amazon came up with the reference*:
>>
>> The Lady Upstairs: Dorothy Schiff and the New York Post by
>> Marilyn Nissenson
>>
>> Amazon allowed a look at the index, nothing about subways. Only a few
>> pages on La Guardia, I think Schiff took over on the tail end of the
>> La Guardia era. I didn't realize she held onto it that long.
>>
>> >From the reviews it seems like it's an interesting book.
>
> The Post was one of the few survivors of the 1962 newspaper strike --
> NYC went from a 7-paper town to a 3-paper town. I think Dorothy Schiff
> was independently wealthy and kept the Post going as the city's ultra-
> liberal paper.

That's the strike that kind of made the evening TV news respectable, right?

> Then Murdoch bought it.
>
> The papers that didn't make it were the Mirror (Daily News's direct
> competition), the Herald Tribune (Times's closest competitor), the
> World Telegram and Sun, and the Journal American. The last three
> combined as the World Journal Tribune for a short time. The
> International Herald Tribune is all that survives, and I believe it's
> now owned by the New York Times.
>
> Note that this is not on topic for nyc.transit.
>

On Aug 24, 10:42 pm, Bolwerk <bolw...@> wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Aug 24, 2:13 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> >> On Aug 24, 11:37 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
>
> >>> Schiff
> >> Thanks. With that, Amazon came up with the reference*:
>
> >> The Lady Upstairs: Dorothy Schiff and the New York Post by
> >> Marilyn Nissenson
>
> >> Amazon allowed a look at the index, nothing about subways. Only a few
> >> pages on La Guardia, I think Schiff took over on the tail end of the
> >> La Guardia era. I didn't realize she held onto it that long.
>
> >> >From the reviews it seems like it's an interesting book.
>
> > The Post was one of the few survivors of the 1962 newspaper strike --
> > NYC went from a 7-paper town to a 3-paper town. I think Dorothy Schiff
> > was independently wealthy and kept the Post going as the city's ultra-
> > liberal paper.
>
> That's the strike that kind of made the evening TV news respectable, right?

I can't say. I was in 7th-8th grade. The respectability is usually
ascribed to coverage of the Kennedy assassination, by Walter Cronkite
(who had taken over the anchor chair a few months earlier from Douglas
Edwards, one of "Murrow's boys").

*Amrican Dreams* began with that day, but because it was on NBC they
had to use snippets of Frank McGee's coverage, who was not an iconic
figure.

>
>> In any case, the relevance is not the newspapers and transit per se, but
>> that NY had tabloids that were especially popular on crowded subway
>> trains.
>
> So the Times is now more popular because it got smaller?

The Times has been available for suburban commuters since the beginning of
the MTA era -- so there was plenty of room anyway. Whether it now helps the
subway crush-hour standee remains to be seen <g>.

But as people lament the loss of the J-A, WT&Sm HT etc, I wonder if there
aren't more papers available today than "Back in the Day" given all the
foreign language papers that are out there in NYC every day (Not to mention
oddities like the resurrected Brooklyn Eagle).

Cheers,
Jim Guthrie

"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@> wrote in message
news:1187984374.855079.175570@z24g2000prh. o...
> On Aug 24, 2:13 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>> On Aug 24, 11:37 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
>>
>> > Schiff
>>
>> Thanks. With that, Amazon came up with the reference*:
>>
>> The Lady Upstairs: Dorothy Schiff and the New York Post by
>> Marilyn Nissenson
>>
>> Amazon allowed a look at the index, nothing about subways. Only a few
>> pages on La Guardia, I think Schiff took over on the tail end of the
>> La Guardia era. I didn't realize she held onto it that long.
>>
>> >From the reviews it seems like it's an interesting book.
>
> The Post was one of the few survivors of the 1962 newspaper strike --
> NYC went from a 7-paper town to a 3-paper town. I think Dorothy Schiff
> was independently wealthy and kept the Post going as the city's ultra-
> liberal paper.

It was 1966. The paper that suffered after '62 was Winchell's Mirror.


>
> Then Murdoch bought it.
>
> The papers that didn't make it were the Mirror (Daily News's direct
> competition), the Herald Tribune (Times's closest competitor), the
> World Telegram and Sun, and the Journal American. The last three
> combined as the World Journal Tribune for a short time. The
> International Herald Tribune is all that survives, and I believe it's
> now owned by the New York Times.
>
> Note that this is not on topic for nyc.transit.
>

"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@> wrote in message
news:1188076549.631394.263960@r34g2000hsd. o...

>> Is not New York Magazine a direct descendent of the Herald Tribune as
>> well?
>
> I dunno. It started in April 1968 -- I was rather pleased that I
> quoted something from the first issue in my 12th-grade English term
> paper on Sinclair Lewis.

New York magazine had the same editor as it had as the Sunday magazine at
the Trib, Clay Felker. Following him was a stable that included Gail Sheehy,
of course, Jimmy Breslin, Schaap, Gael Greene and quite a few other
well-known writers.

>
> It's now owned by Murdoch, and apparently the staff quit when he took
> over. (Maybe not John Simon.)
>
>> In any case, the relevance is not the newspapers and transit per se, but
>> that NY had tabloids that were especially popular on crowded subway
>> trains.

Other factors that probably influence which newspaper one reads include
education, curiosity, income, etc. etc.

On Aug 25, 10:02 pm, "Sancho Panza" <otterpo...@xm> wrote:
> "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote in messagenews:1187984374.855079.175570@z24g2000prh.g ooglegro...
> > On Aug 24, 2:13 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> >> On Aug 24, 11:37 am, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@> wrote:
>
> >> > Schiff
>
> >> Thanks. With that, Amazon came up with the reference*:
>
> >> The Lady Upstairs: Dorothy Schiff and the New York Post by
> >> Marilyn Nissenson
>
> >> Amazon allowed a look at the index, nothing about subways. Only a few
> >> pages on La Guardia, I think Schiff took over on the tail end of the
> >> La Guardia era. I didn't realize she held onto it that long.
>
> >> >From the reviews it seems like it's an interesting book.
>
> > The Post was one of the few survivors of the 1962 newspaper strike --
> > NYC went from a 7-paper town to a 3-paper town. I think Dorothy Schiff
> > was independently wealthy and kept the Post going as the city's ultra-
> > liberal paper.
>
> It was 1966. The paper that suffered after '62 was Winchell's Mirror.

What was 1966? The strike was in 1962-63. Did the WJT last three years?

On Aug 25, 10:06 pm, hanco...@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > The Post was one of the few survivors of the 1962 newspaper strike --
> > NYC went from a 7-paper town to a 3-paper town. I think Dorothy Schiff
> > was independently wealthy and kept the Post going as the city's ultra-
> > liberal paper.
>
> A newspaper's slant is significant as to how it covers public works
> issues, such as subways, trains, and highway construction and
> operation.
>
> Caro mentions this in his book.
>
> Some reviewers of the book felt the NYP under Schiff felt it was a
> wonderful paper because it was a liberal advocacy, even though they
> admitted journalistic standards were compromised to get out advocacy.
>
> > Note that this is not on topic for nyc.transit.
>
> Actually, given the coverage issues, plus that people read newspapers
> while riding, makes it clearly on topic.
>
> P.S. Not that this is anyone's business, but I do not live anywhere
> near Philadephia. Those who make such references do so in error.

So your constant comparisons with SEPTA are also smoke-blowing?