NJ Transit may increase bus, train fares

Gov. Corzine says he's oppossed and will find money in the budget to
avoid the fare hike. He needs to do some people pleasing. Whiteman
avoided fare hikes for NJT throughout her term. Too bad for Corzine he
inherited such a budget mess. Imagine how bad it would be if the
economy was bad. Yikes!

Sancho Panza wrote:
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:445BD473.3417@worldnet.att.net...
> > Sancho Panza wrote:

> > > > > Like the state, NJ Transit's budget year runs from July 1 to June 30
> > > > > of the next year. Fares last rose in July 2002, by an average of 9.9
> > > > > percent. Estimates put the proposed increase at 7 percent, based on
> > > > > the difference between revenues, for fiscal years 2006 and 2007.
> > > >
> > > > That's not true; the NJT buses went from $1.10 to $1.25 last year.
> > >
> > > That fare applies to just a very small fraction of the system.
> >
> > I wouldn't know how small a fraction of the system the buses are.
>
> Buses make up two-thirds of the NJ Transit system. A tiny fraction of those
> bus fares are $1.25. Most bus fares are well above that.

So you're claiming that the only bus fares that were raised last summer
were the ones on the tiny fraction of buses that were $1.10?

Are you aware of the population of Hudson County? How many riders do
these buses serve, vs. whichever ones you're claiming didn't have a fare
increase?
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:445C8DE7.4443@worldnet.att.net...
> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:445BD473.3417@worldnet.att.net...
>> > Sancho Panza wrote:
>
>> > > > > Like the state, NJ Transit's budget year runs from July 1 to June
>> > > > > 30
>> > > > > of the next year. Fares last rose in July 2002, by an average of
>> > > > > 9.9
>> > > > > percent. Estimates put the proposed increase at 7 percent, based
>> > > > > on
>> > > > > the difference between revenues, for fiscal years 2006 and 2007.
>> > > >
>> > > > That's not true; the NJT buses went from $1.10 to $1.25 last year.
>> > >
>> > > That fare applies to just a very small fraction of the system.
>> >
>> > I wouldn't know how small a fraction of the system the buses are.
>>
>> Buses make up two-thirds of the NJ Transit system. A tiny fraction of
>> those
>> bus fares are $1.25. Most bus fares are well above that.
>
> So you're claiming that the only bus fares that were raised last summer
> were the ones on the tiny fraction of buses that were $1.10?

I never said that and I can't figure out how you might arrived at that. At
any rate, the fares for the vast preponderance of NJ Transit bus service far
exceed $1.10 or $1.25.



> Are you aware of the population of Hudson County? How many riders do
> these buses serve, vs. whichever ones you're claiming didn't have a fare
> increase?

Maybe you'll do us the honor of presenting those facts, especially since no
one else brought up the topic.

Sancho Panza wrote:
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:445C8DE7.4443@worldnet.att.net...
> > Sancho Panza wrote:
> >>
> >> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> >> news:445BD473.3417@worldnet.att.net...
> >> > Sancho Panza wrote:
> >
> >> > > > > Like the state, NJ Transit's budget year runs from July 1 to June
> >> > > > > 30
> >> > > > > of the next year. Fares last rose in July 2002, by an average of
> >> > > > > 9.9
> >> > > > > percent. Estimates put the proposed increase at 7 percent, based
> >> > > > > on
> >> > > > > the difference between revenues, for fiscal years 2006 and 2007.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > That's not true; the NJT buses went from $1.10 to $1.25 last year.
> >> > >
> >> > > That fare applies to just a very small fraction of the system.
> >> >
> >> > I wouldn't know how small a fraction of the system the buses are.
> >>
> >> Buses make up two-thirds of the NJ Transit system. A tiny fraction of
> >> those
> >> bus fares are $1.25. Most bus fares are well above that.
> >
> > So you're claiming that the only bus fares that were raised last summer
> > were the ones on the tiny fraction of buses that were $1.10?
>
> I never said that and I can't figure out how you might arrived at that. At
> any rate, the fares for the vast preponderance of NJ Transit bus service far
> exceed $1.10 or $1.25.

So you admit that my point is totally correct.

The assertion that fares were last raised in 2002 was a lie.

> > Are you aware of the population of Hudson County? How many riders do
> > these buses serve, vs. whichever ones you're claiming didn't have a fare
> > increase?
>
> Maybe you'll do us the honor of presenting those facts, especially since no
> one else brought up the topic.

If I knew, why would I ask?

_You_ implied that our fare increase somehow didn't count, and I was
wondering just how many people that insignificant fare increase
affected.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:445DEDF0.384B@worldnet.att.net...
> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> news:445C8DE7.4443@worldnet.att.net...
>> > Sancho Panza wrote:
>> >>
>> >> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:445BD473.3417@worldnet.att.net...
>> >> > Sancho Panza wrote:
>> >
>> >> > > > > Like the state, NJ Transit's budget year runs from July 1 to
>> >> > > > > June
>> >> > > > > 30
>> >> > > > > of the next year. Fares last rose in July 2002, by an average
>> >> > > > > of
>> >> > > > > 9.9
>> >> > > > > percent. Estimates put the proposed increase at 7 percent,
>> >> > > > > based
>> >> > > > > on
>> >> > > > > the difference between revenues, for fiscal years 2006 and
>> >> > > > > 2007.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > That's not true; the NJT buses went from $1.10 to $1.25 last
>> >> > > > year.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That fare applies to just a very small fraction of the system.
>> >> >
>> >> > I wouldn't know how small a fraction of the system the buses are.
>> >>
>> >> Buses make up two-thirds of the NJ Transit system. A tiny fraction of
>> >> those
>> >> bus fares are $1.25. Most bus fares are well above that.
>> >
>> > So you're claiming that the only bus fares that were raised last summer
>> > were the ones on the tiny fraction of buses that were $1.10?
>>
>> I never said that and I can't figure out how you might arrived at that.
>> At
>> any rate, the fares for the vast preponderance of NJ Transit bus service
>> far
>> exceed $1.10 or $1.25.
>
> So you admit that my point is totally correct.
>
> The assertion that fares were last raised in 2002 was a lie.

I never said anything about 2002. You can't show anywhere that I did. Your
imagination must be running wild. And I resent your trying to impose
something on me that I had nothing to do with.

Sancho Panza wrote:
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message

> >> >> > > > > Like the state, NJ Transit's budget year runs from July 1 to
> >> >> > > > > June
> >> >> > > > > 30
> >> >> > > > > of the next year. Fares last rose in July 2002, by an average
> >> >> > > > > of
> >> >> > > > > 9.9
> >> >> > > > > percent. Estimates put the proposed increase at 7 percent,
> >> >> > > > > based
> >> >> > > > > on
> >> >> > > > > the difference between revenues, for fiscal years 2006 and
> >> >> > > > > 2007.
> >> >> > > >
> >> >> > > > That's not true; the NJT buses went from $1.10 to $1.25 last
> >> >> > > > year.
> >> >> > >
> >> >> > > That fare applies to just a very small fraction of the system.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I wouldn't know how small a fraction of the system the buses are.
> >> >>
> >> >> Buses make up two-thirds of the NJ Transit system. A tiny fraction of
> >> >> those
> >> >> bus fares are $1.25. Most bus fares are well above that.
> >> >
> >> > So you're claiming that the only bus fares that were raised last summer
> >> > were the ones on the tiny fraction of buses that were $1.10?
> >>
> >> I never said that and I can't figure out how you might arrived at that.
> >> At
> >> any rate, the fares for the vast preponderance of NJ Transit bus service
> >> far
> >> exceed $1.10 or $1.25.
> >
> > So you admit that my point is totally correct.
> >
> > The assertion that fares were last raised in 2002 was a lie.
>
> I never said anything about 2002. You can't show anywhere that I did. Your
> imagination must be running wild. And I resent your trying to impose
> something on me that I had nothing to do with.

You challenged my objection to the false statement.

And now you've snipped everything I said about your claim that a fare
increase affecting all of Hudson County (at least) was insignificant.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:445F4912.C51@worldnet.att.net...
> Sancho Panza wrote:
>>
>> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
>
>> >> >> > > > > Like the state, NJ Transit's budget year runs from July 1
>> >> >> > > > > to
>> >> >> > > > > June
>> >> >> > > > > 30
>> >> >> > > > > of the next year. Fares last rose in July 2002, by an
>> >> >> > > > > average
>> >> >> > > > > of
>> >> >> > > > > 9.9
>> >> >> > > > > percent. Estimates put the proposed increase at 7 percent,
>> >> >> > > > > based
>> >> >> > > > > on
>> >> >> > > > > the difference between revenues, for fiscal years 2006 and
>> >> >> > > > > 2007.
>> >> >> > > >
>> >> >> > > > That's not true; the NJT buses went from $1.10 to $1.25 last
>> >> >> > > > year.
>> >> >> > >
>> >> >> > > That fare applies to just a very small fraction of the system.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > I wouldn't know how small a fraction of the system the buses are.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Buses make up two-thirds of the NJ Transit system. A tiny fraction
>> >> >> of
>> >> >> those
>> >> >> bus fares are $1.25. Most bus fares are well above that.
>> >> >
>> >> > So you're claiming that the only bus fares that were raised last
>> >> > summer
>> >> > were the ones on the tiny fraction of buses that were $1.10?
>> >>
>> >> I never said that and I can't figure out how you might arrived at
>> >> that.
>> >> At
>> >> any rate, the fares for the vast preponderance of NJ Transit bus
>> >> service
>> >> far
>> >> exceed $1.10 or $1.25.
>> >
>> > So you admit that my point is totally correct.
>> >
>> > The assertion that fares were last raised in 2002 was a lie.
>>
>> I never said anything about 2002. You can't show anywhere that I did.
>> Your
>> imagination must be running wild. And I resent your trying to impose
>> something on me that I had nothing to do with.
>
> You challenged my objection to the false statement.
>
> And now you've snipped everything I said about your claim that a fare
> increase affecting all of Hudson County (at least) was insignificant.

For the snipping impaired, here is the original exchange:

>> That's not true; the NJT buses went from $1.10 to $1.25 last year.

>That fare applies to just a very small fraction of the system.

If and when you or anyone else can produce any reference I made to 2002 or
2005, please let us know.

As far as the significance of Hudson County in overall scheme of NJ Transit
use, it seems that we will also have to await anyone's factual input.

Meanwhile, the vast majority of NJ Transit bus route miles are not in $1.25
zone, and there is no way anyone can say they are.