Angry commuter...

Agent_C wrote:
>
> On 16 Feb 2006 08:32:36 -0800, personal@eunuchatanorgy.com wrote:
>
> >Compaining about the lift system
> >and wishing for the low-floor solution would be more appropriate,
> >thought I doubt if low floor buses would be feasible in a city with
> >crush loads on buses like New York.
>
> I've never liked the lift system on NYC busses either, but don't
> advocate 'throwing Mamma from the train' so to speak...
>
> For the money we spend on ADA compliance, we could chauffeur each an
> every disabled rider around in a stretch limousine, with free flowing
> champagne and live entertainment.

They tried that (paratransit), and it didn't work.

> The expenditures are just not rational.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

Agent_C wrote:
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> On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:17:48 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >They tried that (paratransit), and it didn't work.
>
> What do you mean 'didn't work'? Paratransit may suck, but it's in
> revenue service as we speak.

In NYC? It didn't work in Chicago. Why would it work here?
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> Agent_C wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:17:48 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >
> > >They tried that (paratransit), and it didn't work.
> >
> > What do you mean 'didn't work'? Paratransit may suck, but it's in
> > revenue service as we speak.
>
> In NYC? It didn't work in Chicago. Why would it work here?


Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
There is plenty of on demand paratransit in NYC.
It has to be arranged for in advance and is heavily subsidized.

ADA compliance is not that expensive for busses. I realize for the
subways it is difficult and costly..

I hope you never need it, but becoming disabled can happen to anyone.
There but for the Grace of God...



Take care,
Randy in Fanwood, NJ

Agent_C wrote:
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> On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:38:55 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >In NYC?
>
> Sure. Don't you see those minibus looking things all around the place
> with "Access-A-Ride" on the side? That's Paratransit. As of last year
> there were almost 80,000 eligible users. Average daily rider ship is
> about 7,500.
>
> >It didn't work in Chicago. Why would it work here?
>
> Probably because they're administered by public transit agencies.

It was run by the CTA.

> Vouchering eligible individuals for cabs and special needs transports
> might be a better way to go.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

pigsty1953m wrote:
>
> Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > Agent_C wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:17:48 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> > > <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > >
> > > >They tried that (paratransit), and it didn't work.
> > >
> > > What do you mean 'didn't work'? Paratransit may suck, but it's in
> > > revenue service as we speak.
> >
> > In NYC? It didn't work in Chicago. Why would it work here?
>
> Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
> There is plenty of on demand paratransit in NYC.
> It has to be arranged for in advance and is heavily subsidized.

In Chicago it had to be requested at least 24 hours in advance, and they
could show up hours late.

> ADA compliance is not that expensive for busses. I realize for the
> subways it is difficult and costly..

Yet as every station is rehabbed, it's getting elevators.

> I hope you never need it, but becoming disabled can happen to anyone.
> There but for the Grace of God...

See my postings from autumn 2002, when I had a broken ankle.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

Agent_C wrote:
> On Thu, 16 Feb 2006 20:38:55 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
>>In NYC?
>
>
> Sure. Don't you see those minibus looking things all around the place
> with "Access-A-Ride" on the side? That's Paratransit. As of last year
> there were almost 80,000 eligible users. Average daily rider ship is
> about 7,500.
>
>
>>It didn't work in Chicago. Why would it work here?
>
>
> Probably because they're administered by public transit agencies.
>
> Vouchering eligible individuals for cabs and special needs transports
> might be a better way to go.
>
> A_C
>
>
>
Oh please my wife whos disabled tried for that what a hassle.

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:21:53 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:


>Yet as every station is rehabbed, it's getting elevators.

There are lots of stations in NYC that will never see elevators
because the relative distance from the street to the platform just
doesn't make it feasible.

There are also scads of stations that have had extensive renovations
and not had elevators. In the "hubs" like many of the 14th Street,
34th Street, 42nd Street stations, etc., there were installed. But you
didn't see them going into Broadway/Lafayette, which hosts a half a
dozen subway lines.

Unfortunately, a city like NY will always be a tough place for the
disabled to live for a whole host of reasons, including apartment and
transportation access.

Cyrus Afzali wrote:
>
> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:21:53 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Yet as every station is rehabbed, it's getting elevators.
>
> There are lots of stations in NYC that will never see elevators

They got an ADA variance because of the impossibility of doing all
437(?) stations within the originally specified deadline.

> because the relative distance from the street to the platform just
> doesn't make it feasible.

Such as?

> There are also scads of stations that have had extensive renovations
> and not had elevators. In the "hubs" like many of the 14th Street,
> 34th Street, 42nd Street stations, etc., there were installed. But you
> didn't see them going into Broadway/Lafayette, which hosts a half a
> dozen subway lines.

Has it been rebuilt recently? I've only been there like twice ever (but
I really like the way the "floor" dissolves into parallel girders open
to below.

I think someone here said someday it's going to be redone to include a
transfer to the uptown Lexington local.

> Unfortunately, a city like NY will always be a tough place for the
> disabled to live for a whole host of reasons, including apartment and
> transportation access.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
>
> In article <43F25AB6.67E1@worldnet.att.net>, grammatim@worldnet.att.net says...
>
> >A mile and a half (if it's Manhattan street blocks) is a half-hour walk
> >in nice weather. Would you really recommend it in the cold?
>
> Yes. Walking at a good clip helps keep you warm.

Keeping you warm is probably the last thing a half-hour walk in 24 deg.
would do.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 20:46:32 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

>Cyrus Afzali wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 17 Feb 2006 03:21:53 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Yet as every station is rehabbed, it's getting elevators.
>>
>> There are lots of stations in NYC that will never see elevators
>
>They got an ADA variance because of the impossibility of doing all
>437(?) stations within the originally specified deadline.
>
>> because the relative distance from the street to the platform just
>> doesn't make it feasible.
>
>Such as?

Many local stations on the N/R/W lines in Manhattan, for example. Go
to places like Prince Street and show me where they're going to put an
elevator there. There's no room on the street or on the platform. The
same goes for local stations all over the system.
>
>> There are also scads of stations that have had extensive renovations
>> and not had elevators. In the "hubs" like many of the 14th Street,
>> 34th Street, 42nd Street stations, etc., there were installed. But you
>> didn't see them going into Broadway/Lafayette, which hosts a half a
>> dozen subway lines.
>
>Has it been rebuilt recently? I've only been there like twice ever (but
>I really like the way the "floor" dissolves into parallel girders open
>to below.

It had a complete rebuild that lasted for years and was only finished
around 2000.
>
>I think someone here said someday it's going to be redone to include a
>transfer to the uptown Lexington local.

Yes, I believe that is in the works, so it might be redone for that.
>
>> Unfortunately, a city like NY will always be a tough place for the
>> disabled to live for a whole host of reasons, including apartment and
>> transportation access.