Fare card inspection

Justa Lurker wrote:
>
> Seth Breidbart wrote:
> > In article <cuvyxnansvbet.iqw3qb4.pminews@newsgrocast. net>,
> > Phil Kane <Phil.Kane@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> wrote:
> >
> >>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:47:46 -0500, Vince wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Oh give me a break! This is not becoming a dictatorship?
> >>>So if I don't have my card, I'm stealing a ride?
> >>
> >> No, you are violating a rule that says you have to have proof of
> >> payment. This is different from theft of service.
> >
> >
> > Whose rule? Why must I obey it?
> >
>
> The rule(s) of the entity which operates the transit system on which you
> are a passenger.
>
> > If they want to claim that I'm doing something wrong, the burden of
> > proof is on them.
> >
>
> In this case, you are doing something wrong if you don't have proof of
> payment on your person, available upon request for inspection. The
> burden is on you.
>
> You agree to this when you enter the system to ride on it. If you find
> this objectionable or unacceptable, then the answer is simple......find
> another conveyance or simply walk.
>
> Case closed.

NO. SUCH. RULE. EXISTS.

Are _all_ of you illiterate??
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

Seth Breidbart wrote:
> In article <cuvyxnansvbet.iqw3qb4.pminews@newsgrocast. net>,
> Phil Kane <Phil.Kane@nov.shmovz.ka.pop> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 13:47:46 -0500, Vince wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Oh give me a break! This is not becoming a dictatorship?
>>>So if I don't have my card, I'm stealing a ride?
>>
>> No, you are violating a rule that says you have to have proof of
>> payment. This is different from theft of service.
>
>
> Whose rule? Why must I obey it?
>
> If they want to claim that I'm doing something wrong, the burden of
> proof is on them.
>
> Seth


Weel Seth looks like that may change any min now.

Phil Kane wrote:

> Further, you are still missing the point as the WHY, simply by rule,
> the MTA or whomever does not require each passenger to have his or
> her own MetroCard to enter the system. This is irregardless of whether
> it's necessary to reswipe when exiting the system or otherwise.

Why not make things convenient for the customer? You could always give
a friend a token. Why make MetroCards less convenient? The 6 rides for
$10.00 discount is available to more people. Any number of people can
ride using one MetroCard. The limit of four transfers exists because of
softwear limitations.

>
> Are there any other major transit systems that do not require each
> passenger/rider/ user/client/customer to have his or her own ticket
> or card when a farecard or multiple ride card system is used?

Metro-North allows any number of passengers to share a 10 ride ticket.
Passengers can share the discount. I'm not sure if they still do it,
but the MBTA in Boston let passholders bring a friend along for free on
Sundays.

When unlimited MetroCards were introduced Rudy Giuliani made it clear
that it was OK to lend the card to someone when you weren't using it. I
think that as an former prosecutor he has an aversion to rules that
can't be enforced. On the other hand Metro-North states that monthly
tickets are not transferable. Male or female is indicated on the ticket.
This reduces the number of possible ticket sharers by 50%.

John Mara

John Mara wrote:

> When unlimited MetroCards were introduced Rudy Giuliani made it clear
> that it was OK to lend the card to someone when you weren't using it. I
> think that as an former prosecutor he has an aversion to rules that
> can't be enforced. On the other hand Metro-North states that monthly
> tickets are not transferable. Male or female is indicated on the ticket.
> This reduces the number of possible ticket sharers by 50%.

A few days ago, posted in the Chambers-to-PATH corridor, was a lengthy
regulation on multiple Card-users. It was late, so I didn't stop to read
it, but at a glance it looked like they were codifying rather than
changing the existing practice
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

Alex Rodriguez wrote:
>
> In article <Txpof.30128$XC4.11821@twister.nyroc.>, johnmara@nycap.
> says...
>
> >Why not make things convenient for the customer? You could always give
> >a friend a token.
>
> Token? Where can you use those? Weren't they eliminated a while back?

The stock footage channel 11 used in their pre-strike coverage last
night showed people using cards and people using tokens.

You can use tokens on the Roosevelt Island tram, they used to say.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net