nyc Subway 100th Anniv--what about the els?

In article <RzHRb.1276$zG1.846@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.n et>, "Jeff
Williams" <basscadet75@m> writes:

>
>And of course, there are still "els" in Brooklyn and Queens, though we don't
>call them that. Where the density is not so high they make more sense,
>though there are still a lot of people living with trains running directly
>outside their windows in those boroughs.
>
>

One of my teen era friends lived right next to whats still left of the Myrtle
Avenue EL (Knickerbocker Avenue), I once asked him "how do you sleep at
night?", "you get used to it" said he. Of course it was at its worst during
rush hour with the extra pounding of the "M" train.

Funny how on some days its louder than on others. For 15 years we lived SIX
blocks away from the Avenue U stop of the "F" (whos right of way we could see
from our living room window), we could still hear them. On certains days when
the sun would reflex off the cars they would look almost like gold.

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In article <lohe1051jpdgshv5t312t6cpl3o5o1dt15@>, 127.0.0.1 <jd@cs.com>
writes:

>was chambers st closed?

No but your brain (what little there is of it), must be.

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In article <401749BD.1E8E@worldnet.att.net>, "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> writes:

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>Larry Millet's latest Sherlock Holmes novel involves el trips. If you
>set a story in NYC, you're probably going to get such references.

Don't you love/hate how these days when part of a story set in New York has the
subway, we see the Toronto Subway or the PATH?

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Vince wrote:
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> In article <401749BD.1E8E@worldnet.att.net>, "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> writes:
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> >
> >Larry Millet's latest Sherlock Holmes novel involves el trips. If you
> >set a story in NYC, you're probably going to get such references.
>
> Don't you love/hate how these days when part of a story set in New York has the
> subway, we see the Toronto Subway or the PATH?

More silliness.

You probably mean TV show or movie.

When you read a story, your mind's eye provides whatever subway it
wants.
--
Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

In article <4017AE19.39DD@worldnet.att.net>, "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> writes:

>
>You probably mean TV show or movie.
>

Of course. The unnecessary so-called remake of the "Taking of Pelham 1, 2, 3"
among the worst.

On the other end an old show of Superman used stock footage of the "AA" train.
When a crook knocks out the motorman and the train keeps going until Superman
stops it by breaking a "third rail" that was on the wall. On the wall?

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I think the problem is the aesthetics of the elevated track. It takes up
sky and the columns are a traffic hazard. In Manhattan an acceptable style
of elevated track would be similar to the High Line on the West Side.
Embedding the track inside of buildings would make it blend into the
surroundings. It probably would be cheaper to build than a tunnel. A route
like the High Line is perfect for this sort of conversion. It doesn't have
to be heavy rail either.

Jim Guthrie wrote:
>
> The Manhattan Els went away because:
>
> 1. They did not get rebuilt for heavier equipment (or bulit new) in the dual
> contracts et seq. One might fairly speculate as to whether the BMT would
> have solved the problem with aluminum cars had it not been subsumed into the
> transit system in 1940. Surely Chicago came up with lightweight el cars,
> but then there could have been a problem with lightweight cars vs
> heavyweight cars on common trackage.

The Chicago "L"s mostly run in alleys. (Manhattan doesn't have alleys.)

In Chicago the space between buildings isn't an alley, it's a gangway.
The alleys parallel the streets midblock (the blocks are much bigger
than ours -- eight to a mile).
--
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In article <bvbaih$fo4$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, "Steve Lackey"
<stevelackey@m> writes:

>
>Don't mince words; tell us what you REALLY think of the man... :)
>
>

Very good Steve.

BTW I never saw a PINBALL machine until I was stationed in INDIANA in 1967.

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In article <4021650C.4409@worldnet.att.net>, "Peter T. Daniels"
<grammatim@worldnet.att.net> writes:

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>Maybe not after 1933 or so.
>
>But there was a large German community in this city long before that.
>
>Anyway it sounds a lot like an urban legend (literally, this time).
>--

I have some great memories of that area, its where my wife was living when I
met her and where I too lived for a while.

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