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Old 3rd September 2003, 03:17 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I saw this documentary (to compliment the book?) in the mid-nineties
but can find no information on it anywhere. It was on a news show,
20/20, PBS 13, etc can't remember which. I think there was a separate
follow-up show which focused mainly on interviewing Bernard, one of
the 'mole people'.

Does anyone else remember seeing these documentaries or know if they
have been released on DVD or video? I finally got around to seeing the
"Dark Days" DVD and it reminded me of this original documentary.
 
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Old 8th September 2003, 06:20 AM   #2 (permalink)
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"TeaLady (Mari C.)" <spressobeanm> wrote in message news:<Xns93EFF36918FE6spblt@130.133.1.4>...

> Reporting the statements of the people in her book is one thing -


The one thing which can be filmed and documented, in this case was
filmed and documented, POSSIBLY by Toth etc, (definitely by many
others since), and aired back in 94, and what I am looking for in
2003, hence this thread.

> Claiming to be in places which don't exist is another.


Which may or may not have happened, reported in a book, which is
another subject, that I am not interested in.
 
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Old 9th September 2003, 12:31 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Charles A Lieberman <calieber@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:<calieber-159E4F.16323808092003@news.fu-berlin.de>...

> I'm a little unclear as to what you were seeking when you posted to AFU


"Does anyone else remember seeing these documentaries or know if they
have been released on DVD or video?"

I will break it down into two complete sentences to make it easier for
afu understand.

"Does anyone else remember seeing these documentaries?"

"Does anyone else know if they have been released on DVD or video?"
 
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Old 9th September 2003, 07:14 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Nymphetamine wrote:
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> Charles A Lieberman <calieber@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:<calieber-159E4F.16323808092003@news.fu-berlin.de>...
>
> > I'm a little unclear as to what you were seeking when you posted to AFU

>
> "Does anyone else remember seeing these documentaries or know if they
> have been released on DVD or video?"
>
> I will break it down into two complete sentences to make it easier for
> afu understand.
>
> "Does anyone else remember seeing these documentaries?"
>
> "Does anyone else know if they have been released on DVD or video?"


I think Mr. Lieberman's question was: "Why did you post to AFU?" given
that AFU is for debunking fairytales like Toth's book (whether or not
someone made a movie based on it), and you seem to belive that Toth's
book is true and aren't interested in hearing that it isn't.
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Old 9th September 2003, 04:45 PM   #5 (permalink)
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"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<3F5DB629.3CE0@worldnet.att.net>...

> I think Mr. Lieberman's question was: "Why did you post to AFU?" given
> that AFU is for debunking fairytales like Toth's book and the moon-landing etc


I incorrectly assumed at least one of you may know about a subject you
love to nitpick on? Im certainly not interested in your laughable
agenda, in fact one of you clowns actually thinks I am Toth. A simple,
direct answer such as "I don't know" (or "beats me") would have
sufficed, you know, like the responses in the other ngs this was
posted in...
 
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Old 9th September 2003, 05:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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Nymphetamine wrote:
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> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<3F5DB629.3CE0@worldnet.att.net>...
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> > I think Mr. Lieberman's question was: "Why did you post to AFU?" given
> > that AFU is for debunking fairytales like Toth's book and the moon-landing etc

>
> I incorrectly assumed at least one of you may know about a subject you
> love to nitpick on? Im certainly not interested in your laughable
> agenda, in fact one of you clowns actually thinks I am Toth. A simple,
> direct answer such as "I don't know" (or "beats me") would have
> sufficed, you know, like the responses in the other ngs this was
> posted in...


Which shows how you jump to conclusions. I'm seeing this in nyc.transit,
where Toth's book was thoroughly discredited years ago.

It also shows that your integrity is approximately on the level of
Toth's, since I didn't write "and the moon-landing etc".
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Old 13th September 2003, 08:10 PM   #7 (permalink)
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brennan@columbia.edu (Joseph Brennan) wrote in message news:<bjag9e$g9k$1@konichiwa.cc.columbia.edu>...
> TdN <triannadunord@m> wrote:
> >The strange thing about that page is that it doesn't address the
> >photographs Margaret Morton took for that book, and for her more
> >complete "The Tunnel".

>
> The people who lived in the Riverside Park structure have been well
> documented, by Margaret Morton's book and by an occasional series of
> articles in the New York Times that eventually followed some of the
> people into their later lives outside the tunnel. These are what
> Toth's book should have been-- accurate, realistic, and focused on the
> real people and the circumstances that brought them into the tunnels.
>
> I did say, quote,
> The sections about life in the Riverside Park tunnel are supported
> in general by other accounts, and interestingly the descriptions of
> this one tunnel are also the most accurate
>


I guess as long as you were explaining how Toth was sold a jackalope,
I would have liked to have an explanation of what the Morton photos
actually depicted, and what the discrepancies were between that and
what the text purported them to illustrate.

>
>
> >I agree that Toth seems to be a sloppy journalist, too ready to
> >believe whatever her informants tell her, but it's as though Brennan
> >is ignoring the documentary photographs.

>
> I've seen Morton's photos of the Riverside Park structure, but not any
> of the seventh level under Grand Central, people with webbed feet,
> waiting rooms with fountains, the caverns of Manhattan, or the ESP
> rays the Mole People use to communicate (see Toth's last chapter!).


Well, everybody knows you can't *photograph* ESP rays (forbidden
winking smiley here to express tomfoolery).

And my husband has webbed feet (or at least a vestigial web between
his first and second toes). It's actually not all that uncommon.

I do admit that, even without knowing thing A about the NYC
subinfrastructure, I was possessed with an overwhelming desire to play
high-stakes poker with Ms. Toth after reading "The Mole People".


>
> I might be mistaken, but the photos were not in the first edition
> of Toth's book, were they?
>


Now, there you've got me. I came rather late to this party (Morton
first, then Toth), so my quibble with your page may be moot in that
case. But if you ever have a slow afternoon, perhaps you might think
of adding something about Morton's photos and how they were used to
illustrate Toth's book.

I'm disappointed about the fountains and chandeliers, of course. They
were so pretty in the "Superman" movie.

Yrs,

T "sic transit gloria transit" dN
 
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Old 18th September 2003, 03:51 PM   #8 (permalink)
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In folklore.urban Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> TeaLady (Mari C.) wrote:
>>

>
>> Whoops, sorry, too many syllables.

>
> Look at the second word in the second line.


Is this that "gry" thing again?

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Lee Ayrton <layrton@ntplx.net> has no, for lack of a better word, life.
 
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Old 21st September 2003, 08:58 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Nymphetamine wrote:
> Lee Ayrton <layrton@ntplx.net> has no, for lack of a better word, life.

Don't know why I bother answering this, but I need
to take a short break from grading lab exercises.

Those of us who know Lee Ayrton personally, not just
from AFU, can attest that he has a very full life. So
full, in fact, that if it were not for the occasional
down-time days between gigs he wouldn't have time to
participate in AFU at all.

Charles

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"And some rin up hill and down dale, knapping the
chucky stanes to pieces wi' hammers, like sae mony
road-makers run daft -- they say it is to see how
the warld was made!"

 
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