Manhattan bridge - free?

"Tim Shoppa" <shoppa@trailing-edge.com> wrote in message
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> danny burstein <dannyb@panix.com> wrote in message
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> > I was just watching The Odessa File (excellent movie) and there's a
scene
> > where one of the bad guys is in the subway (I forget which German town),
> > walks over to an escalator, and it starts as he approaches it.
> >
> > I remember a bunch of NYC escalators uesed to have similar "step here"
> > pads, but don't think I've seen any lately.
> >
> > Anyone know if they;re still around? Thanks
>
> Yes, they're around, but not in the US. I think that auto-start
> escalators have been disallowed since some time in the 1970's, although
> as you point out signage about them still exists even though the
> escalators themselves have been converted to completely manual operation.
>
> The international terminal in the airport in Vancouver had a couple
> as of 1997 or so.
>
> Tim.

50th Street on the C/E (Downtown Entrances) has the signage for the the
autostart escalators "Enter Here to Start" I have no idea if they are still
active, or made active during off hours.

-Patrick

Cypherpunk@nyc. wrote:
>
> Peter T. Daniels <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> > Vince wrote:
> > >
> > > YES of course they have them in certain stations, what a let down Stillwell Ave
> > > is not going to have any escalators. WHY?
> >
> > Since they have to put in elevators anyway, maybe they figured it made
> > more sense to have bigger elevators and no escalators.
>
> If they had to put elevators in, what year did that requirement come

The ADA says that whenever a station is renovated, access has to be
added.

> into being? Ever visit Astoria on the N/W and find yourself a mile
> high off the ground and two miles of stairs to get up/down them?

Nope.

> One time I was visiting a friend, and when I came back (up) the
> stairs there was a little old lady who could only just manage to
> get up one step at a time, barely. It must have taken her a half
> hour to get to the platform.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

"General Kireiko" <douglas@panix.com> wrote in message
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> You will likely get 30 or so opinions on this. There is no correct
> answer.

Thanks for the advice. Still got 26 more opinions to go I guess. I was
planning on allowing an extra hour (above map program estimates) for the NY
metro area anyway.

Ed Ravin wrote:
>
> From somewhere in cyberspace, "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> said:
> >The ADA says that whenever a station is renovated, access has to be
> >added.
>
> Not exactly. For example, Metro-North is replacing all structures at
> the Marble Hill station and they claim they are not obligated to install
> handicapped access. The ADA apparently has various conditions as to
> when access requirements kick in, including the amount of money needed
> to be spent to build ramps / elevators.

That's not a subway station. The deal was, it would have been
prohibitive to retrofit all the subway stations with access by the time
it was supposed to be done, so they agreed to do it as each one came up
for remodeling.

I wouldn't know why a train station would be exempt.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> You really shouldn't have ruled out the only viable option, not driving,
> in your very first posting.

Other decisions out of my control make driving the most viable option.

If I can get to/from Shea in an hour from the NJ line, that would be fine.

I'd prefer to stay on expressway even if the route is longer.

Ed Ravin wrote:
>
> From somewhere in cyberspace, "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> said:
> >Ed Ravin wrote:
> >> Not exactly. For example, Metro-North is replacing all structures at
> >> the Marble Hill station and they claim they are not obligated to install
> >> handicapped access. The ADA apparently has various conditions as to
> >> when access requirements kick in, including the amount of money needed
> >> to be spent to build ramps / elevators.
> >
> >That's not a subway station. The deal was, it would have been
> >prohibitive to retrofit all the subway stations with access by the time
> >it was supposed to be done, so they agreed to do it as each one came up
> >for remodeling.
>
> I believe you are talking about a court settlement that pre-dates the
> ADA.
>
> >I wouldn't know why a train station would be exempt.
>
> Metro-North is not exempt from the ADA - but as I said, the ADA has
> conditions and loopholes. For example, if MNR could prove that the
> costs would be prohibitive to install a ramp or elevator at that
> station then they would be able to legally renovate the station without
> being obliged to provide handicapped access.
>
> They did say they were going to build ADA-compatible staircases.

Marble Hill is a very long way from the surface. Compare Spuyten Duyvil
and Riverdale, which have direct automobile access.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

Joe wrote:
>
> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3F551916.7C75@worldnet.att.net...
> > You really shouldn't have ruled out the only viable option, not driving,
> > in your very first posting.
>
> Other decisions out of my control make driving the most viable option.
>
> If I can get to/from Shea in an hour from the NJ line, that would be fine.
>
> I'd prefer to stay on expressway even if the route is longer.

Then you can go all the way up to the GWB, across to the Deegan (I-87, I
think), across the Triborough to the GCP; or stay on the CBE to the
Bronx-Whitestone Bridge and follow the signs.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

"Vince" <holvbphoto@cs.comgoodguy> wrote in message
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> In article <3F55E778.70EB@worldnet.att.net>, "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> writes:
>
> >
> >That's why the plans are to eventually do them all.
>
> I'm sure that will Peter, just looks like it taking forever.
>
> >My grandmother would have been 124 on Monday.
>
> The one I spoke of just would have had hers July 24th.

My older one would have only been 117, and the younger, 96.
Call me young.

- Steve

Cyrus Afzali wrote:
>
> On Wed, 03 Sep 2003 13:07:04 GMT, "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
> >Vince wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <3F55187F.5757@worldnet.att.net>, "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> writes:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >That's not a subway station. The deal was, it would have been
> >> >prohibitive to retrofit all the subway stations with access by the time
> >> >it was supposed to be done, so they agreed to do it as each one came up
> >> >for remodeling.
> >> >
> >> >I wouldn't know why a train station would be exempt.
> >>
> >> You know making subway stations with access is great, but bottom line if
> >> they're not all accessable its almost pointless. i.e. If my grandmother were
> >> still alive (god she be over 100), I have to get off on Morgan Ave, which does
> >> have a ramp coming up off the platform and then there are still stairs going to
> >> the street.
> >
> >That's why the plans are to eventually do them all.
>
> How are they going to do that on the "shallow" lines like the "6" on
> many parts of Manhattan, the N/R in the same areas, etc? There are
> many places where putting an elevator in the existing structure seems
> like it's not going to work?
>
> I thought that's why we offered paratransit services.

Go look at 66th & Broadway. Two very nice elevators. At 207th &
Broadway, which seems to be more the norm systemwide, there's an
elevator from street to mezzanine and another from mezzanine to
platform.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net