Subway Lines That Charged Extra Fare

Ed(NY) wrote:
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> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> news:3F2D0EE7.CD7@worldnet.att.net...
> > Ed(NY) wrote:
> > >
> > > How about the Evanston express (slightly west of NYC)
> >
> > Not a subway.
>
> It used the same equipment as the subway, and ran on the same tracks for
> part of its run. It would be the same as arguing that the Broad
> Channel-Rockaway Park shuttle is not part of the subway.

But Chicago doesn't have a subway, it has an "L" that goes underground
for a short distance.

Or, more historically, Chicago's "subways" were the tunnels connecting
the subbasments of many downtown buildings that were flooded when some
construction equipment in the river accidentally punched through the
roof of one of them.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

Vince wrote:
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> In article <pan.2003.08.03.10.57.08.603339@abt.net>, "Stephen Bauman"
> <sbauman@abt.net> writes:
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> >Re: Subway Lines That Charged Extra Fare
>
> I do remember if you paid your fare at certain stops on the old Myrtle line you
> could transfer free at Jay St. ('D"/"F" "A"), otherwise it was extra.

"See Note A: Transfer at Jay St."
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

Ed(NY) wrote:
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> "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > Ed(NY) wrote:
> > >
> > > "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3F2D0EE7.CD7@worldnet.att.net...
> > > > Ed(NY) wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > How about the Evanston express (slightly west of NYC)
> > > >
> > > > Not a subway.
> > >
> > > It used the same equipment as the subway, and ran on the same tracks for
> > > part of its run. It would be the same as arguing that the Broad
> > > Channel-Rockaway Park shuttle is not part of the subway.
> >
> > But Chicago doesn't have a subway, it has an "L" that goes underground
> > for a short distance.
> >
> > Or, more historically, Chicago's "subways" were the tunnels connecting
> > the subbasments of many downtown buildings that were flooded when some
> > construction equipment in the river accidentally punched through the
> > roof of one of them.
> > --
> >Construction on the Chicago subway tunnels began in 1938 to relieve
> congestion in the Loop. While the system was originally designed as a group
> of elevated railways, the fact that the State Street Subway has been in
> operation for 60 years would give validity to referring to the CTA system as
> subway & elevated.

Well, it just isn't.

> If not, then how could you count the Rockaway line as
> subway when it charged extra fare in the 50's-60's-70's, since only 20 years
> earlier it had been part of the LIRR? One considers the Fulton Street end
> of "A" service to be part of the subway system; it was built as part of the
> BRT elevated lines. Similarly, the Culver "F" line shouldn't be considered
> part of the subway, since it was built as part of the BRT elevated system as
> well.

The NYC system is called subways, even though much of it is aboveground.
The Chicago system is called "L"s, even though a small part of it is
belowground.

Language is not logical.
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

Vince wrote:
>
> >
> >Or, more historically, Chicago's "subways" were the tunnels connecting
> >the subbasments of many downtown buildings that were flooded when some
> >construction equipment in the river accidentally punched through the
> >roof of one of them.
>
> Some years back a "Knight Rider" ep was filmed in Chicago and they had these
> small trains that were running inside of buildings something like the above.
>
> Was that it?

Chicago's "L"s look like toys initially to New Yorkers, because they're
smaller than the subways, but the only place they run through a building
is one of the hospitals (adjacent to the one that supposedly is depicted
in *E. R.*) on the Near South Side. (But the helicopter scenes in *E.R.*
used to be filmed at the University of Chicago Hospitals, several miles
to the south; in recent seasons all the 'copter scenes have been at
night so you can't see how inappropriate the surrounding scenery is.)
(And the "L" stop they use is nowhere near the hospitals.)
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Peter T. Daniels grammatim@att.net

"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote


> "People" didn't much live there in those days; it was acre after acre of
> summer "bungalows." Look at a street map from the 50s -- you'll see the
> blocks were as close together as in Gerritsen Beach.

One famous person who grew up there was Richard Feynman, the Noble
Prize winning physicist. Author of "Surely you're joking, Mr. Feynman".
He got his start figuring out how to repair the radios of his
neighbors and by creative thinking and experimentation on how
to solve a problem. He described one problem of noise in
reception which he solved by merely rotating the tubes in
the chassis around.

"Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message news:<3F2D822D.3507@worldnet.att.net>...
> Vince wrote:
> >
> > In article <pan.2003.08.03.10.57.08.603339@abt.net>, "Stephen Bauman"
> > <sbauman@abt.net> writes:
> >
> > >Re: Subway Lines That Charged Extra Fare
> >
> > I do remember if you paid your fare at certain stops on the old Myrtle line you
> > could transfer free at Jay St. ('D"/"F" "A"), otherwise it was extra.
>
> "See Note A: Transfer at Jay St."
>

IIRC, you got the transfer if you got on anywhere south
of Broadway (Brooklyn). Were they perhaps trying to deter
the use of the el because is was falling apart? I remember it
was pretty shaky toward the end.

The transfer in the other direction was only if you
got on a Broadway-Nassau in lower Manhattan. A legacy
from when the Myrtle stopped going over the Brooklyn
Bridge, maybe?