The Taking of Pelham 123 3.0

[Charlie]

On May 28, 10:45*pm, "Vince" <vpilu...@**************> wrote:
> "Charlie" <cvarric...@********> wrote in message
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> On May 27, 1:03 pm, grammatim <gramma...@************> wrote:
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> > On May 27, 10:18 am, Charlie <cvarric...@********> wrote:
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> > > On May 13, 11:32 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@************> wrote:
>
> > > > was advertised on the Lost finale this evening. It opens June 12.
> > > > Doesn't look like it's as good as the original.
>
> > > Generally none of the remakes are very good. Didn't Denzel make a
> > > remake with the Manchurian Candidate? I don't think it fared well
> > > either. And why is it they always have to have a black guy take the
> > > role like they did in the Wild Wild West when Will Smith played Jim
> > > West? Talk about ruining a movie. And then the rumors of Jamie Foxx
> > > playing Frank Sinatra, enough already. What if you casted a White
> > > person to play Martin Luther King? Do you think blacks would be
> > > visibly upset? I do. I can't fathom why in Hollyweird they just can't
> > > make original movies instead of ripping off one time great ones. Same
> > > thing with Planet of the Apes...a great movie in the 60's they had to
> > > ruin with the remake back in 2001.
>
> > I've no idea why Hollywood thinks remakes are a good idea.
>
> > Tell us, what actual white person is depicted in the story, such that
> > having the character portrayed by a nonwhite person is inappropriate?
>
> > Would you be equally upset if the Walter Matthau role or the Robert
> > Shaw role were played by, say, a woman?
>
> > What if the Doris Roberts role were taken by, say, Harvey Fierstein?
>
> I think Harvey could do her justice. *I'm just saying that shows
> popular say in the 60's and 70's like a Wild Wild West played by a
> character who happened to be White would be more acceptable if another
> White actor portrayed him. *The notion that Will Smith could play Jim
> West when back then blacks didn't have that sort of opportunity to me
> is just unbelievable. *If you're going to do a remake, especially one
> about an old TV show, recast using like people. *Just like they did in
> the I Spy remake. *What if they had used a White actor to play Bill
> Cosby's role, to me that would have been stupid. *It works with old
> movies like a Pelham 1,2,3 or a Manchurian Candidate perhaps but not
> so much with TV shows from years ago. *What if they did a movie remake
> of the Munsters and casted the entire family as black, you don't think
> that would be a stupid decision?
>
> In the last two Bond films Felix Leiter is played by a black guy, like he
> was in NSNA.
> Then again since Michael took over hes ruined the series

I don't have a problem with a black guy playing a character in a
remake of James Bond as long as he's not playing Bond himself. And I
agree with your comment about Michael.

[grammatim]

On May 29, 10:41*am, Charlie <cvarric...@********> wrote:
> On May 28, 10:45*pm, "Vince" <vpilu...@**************> wrote:
>
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>
>
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> > "Charlie" <cvarric...@********> wrote in message
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> >news:408a07be-1f11-47e7-8bb5-75d9f8934bee@n4g2000vba.************.com...
> > On May 27, 1:03 pm, grammatim <gramma...@************> wrote:
>
> > > On May 27, 10:18 am, Charlie <cvarric...@********> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 13, 11:32 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@************> wrote:
>
> > > > > was advertised on the Lost finale this evening. It opens June 12.
> > > > > Doesn't look like it's as good as the original.
>
> > > > Generally none of the remakes are very good. Didn't Denzel make a
> > > > remake with the Manchurian Candidate? I don't think it fared well
> > > > either. And why is it they always have to have a black guy take the
> > > > role like they did in the Wild Wild West when Will Smith played Jim
> > > > West? Talk about ruining a movie. And then the rumors of Jamie Foxx
> > > > playing Frank Sinatra, enough already. What if you casted a White
> > > > person to play Martin Luther King? Do you think blacks would be
> > > > visibly upset? I do. I can't fathom why in Hollyweird they just can't
> > > > make original movies instead of ripping off one time great ones. Same
> > > > thing with Planet of the Apes...a great movie in the 60's they had to
> > > > ruin with the remake back in 2001.
>
> > > I've no idea why Hollywood thinks remakes are a good idea.
>
> > > Tell us, what actual white person is depicted in the story, such that
> > > having the character portrayed by a nonwhite person is inappropriate?
>
> > > Would you be equally upset if the Walter Matthau role or the Robert
> > > Shaw role were played by, say, a woman?
>
> > > What if the Doris Roberts role were taken by, say, Harvey Fierstein?
>
> > I think Harvey could do her justice. *I'm just saying that shows
> > popular say in the 60's and 70's like a Wild Wild West played by a
> > character who happened to be White would be more acceptable if another
> > White actor portrayed him. *The notion that Will Smith could play Jim
> > West when back then blacks didn't have that sort of opportunity to me
> > is just unbelievable. *If you're going to do a remake, especially one
> > about an old TV show, recast using like people. *Just like they did in
> > the I Spy remake. *What if they had used a White actor to play Bill
> > Cosby's role, to me that would have been stupid. *It works with old
> > movies like a Pelham 1,2,3 or a Manchurian Candidate perhaps but not
> > so much with TV shows from years ago. *What if they did a movie remake
> > of the Munsters and casted the entire family as black, you don't think
> > that would be a stupid decision?
>
> > In the last two Bond films Felix Leiter is played by a black guy, like he
> > was in NSNA.
> > Then again since Michael took over hes ruined the series
>
> I don't have a problem with a black guy playing a character in a
> remake of James Bond as long as he's not playing Bond himself. *And I
> agree with your comment about Michael.-

Is it your claim that there are no black Scotsmen, or that there are
no black secret agents?

Imagine your horror if there were a female or a black captain of the
Enterprise!

[Vince]

"Charlie" <cvarrick75@********> wrote in message
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On May 28, 10:45 pm, "Vince" <vpilu...@**************> wrote:
> "Charlie" <cvarric...@********> wrote in message
>
> news:408a07be-1f11-47e7-8bb5-75d9f8934bee@n4g2000vba.************.com...
> On May 27, 1:03 pm, grammatim <gramma...@************> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 27, 10:18 am, Charlie <cvarric...@********> wrote:
>
> > > On May 13, 11:32 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@************> wrote:
>
> > > > was advertised on the Lost finale this evening. It opens June 12.
> > > > Doesn't look like it's as good as the original.
>
> > > Generally none of the remakes are very good. Didn't Denzel make a
> > > remake with the Manchurian Candidate? I don't think it fared well
> > > either. And why is it they always have to have a black guy take the
> > > role like they did in the Wild Wild West when Will Smith played Jim
> > > West? Talk about ruining a movie. And then the rumors of Jamie Foxx
> > > playing Frank Sinatra, enough already. What if you casted a White
> > > person to play Martin Luther King? Do you think blacks would be
> > > visibly upset? I do. I can't fathom why in Hollyweird they just can't
> > > make original movies instead of ripping off one time great ones. Same
> > > thing with Planet of the Apes...a great movie in the 60's they had to
> > > ruin with the remake back in 2001.
>
> > I've no idea why Hollywood thinks remakes are a good idea.
>
> > Tell us, what actual white person is depicted in the story, such that
> > having the character portrayed by a nonwhite person is inappropriate?
>
> > Would you be equally upset if the Walter Matthau role or the Robert
> > Shaw role were played by, say, a woman?
>
> > What if the Doris Roberts role were taken by, say, Harvey Fierstein?
>
> I think Harvey could do her justice. I'm just saying that shows
> popular say in the 60's and 70's like a Wild Wild West played by a
> character who happened to be White would be more acceptable if another
> White actor portrayed him. The notion that Will Smith could play Jim
> West when back then blacks didn't have that sort of opportunity to me
> is just unbelievable. If you're going to do a remake, especially one
> about an old TV show, recast using like people. Just like they did in
> the I Spy remake. What if they had used a White actor to play Bill
> Cosby's role, to me that would have been stupid. It works with old
> movies like a Pelham 1,2,3 or a Manchurian Candidate perhaps but not
> so much with TV shows from years ago. What if they did a movie remake
> of the Munsters and casted the entire family as black, you don't think
> that would be a stupid decision?
>
> In the last two Bond films Felix Leiter is played by a black guy, like he
> was in NSNA.
> Then again since Michael took over hes ruined the series

I don't have a problem with a black guy playing a character in a
remake of James Bond as long as he's not playing Bond himself. And I
agree with your comment about Michael.

Well it was getting mighty lonely in that area. Well this guy as Felix is
YAWN

[Vince]

"grammatim" <grammatim@************> wrote in message
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On May 29, 10:41 am, Charlie <cvarric...@********> wrote:
> On May 28, 10:45 pm, "Vince" <vpilu...@**************> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Charlie" <cvarric...@********> wrote in message
>
> >news:408a07be-1f11-47e7-8bb5-75d9f8934bee@n4g2000vba.************.com...
> > On May 27, 1:03 pm, grammatim <gramma...@************> wrote:
>
> > > On May 27, 10:18 am, Charlie <cvarric...@********> wrote:
>
> > > > On May 13, 11:32 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@************>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > was advertised on the Lost finale this evening. It opens June 12.
> > > > > Doesn't look like it's as good as the original.
>
> > > > Generally none of the remakes are very good. Didn't Denzel make a
> > > > remake with the Manchurian Candidate? I don't think it fared well
> > > > either. And why is it they always have to have a black guy take the
> > > > role like they did in the Wild Wild West when Will Smith played Jim
> > > > West? Talk about ruining a movie. And then the rumors of Jamie Foxx
> > > > playing Frank Sinatra, enough already. What if you casted a White
> > > > person to play Martin Luther King? Do you think blacks would be
> > > > visibly upset? I do. I can't fathom why in Hollyweird they just
> > > > can't
> > > > make original movies instead of ripping off one time great ones.
> > > > Same
> > > > thing with Planet of the Apes...a great movie in the 60's they had
> > > > to
> > > > ruin with the remake back in 2001.
>
> > > I've no idea why Hollywood thinks remakes are a good idea.
>
> > > Tell us, what actual white person is depicted in the story, such that
> > > having the character portrayed by a nonwhite person is inappropriate?
>
> > > Would you be equally upset if the Walter Matthau role or the Robert
> > > Shaw role were played by, say, a woman?
>
> > > What if the Doris Roberts role were taken by, say, Harvey Fierstein?
>
> > I think Harvey could do her justice. I'm just saying that shows
> > popular say in the 60's and 70's like a Wild Wild West played by a
> > character who happened to be White would be more acceptable if another
> > White actor portrayed him. The notion that Will Smith could play Jim
> > West when back then blacks didn't have that sort of opportunity to me
> > is just unbelievable. If you're going to do a remake, especially one
> > about an old TV show, recast using like people. Just like they did in
> > the I Spy remake. What if they had used a White actor to play Bill
> > Cosby's role, to me that would have been stupid. It works with old
> > movies like a Pelham 1,2,3 or a Manchurian Candidate perhaps but not
> > so much with TV shows from years ago. What if they did a movie remake
> > of the Munsters and casted the entire family as black, you don't think
> > that would be a stupid decision?
>
> > In the last two Bond films Felix Leiter is played by a black guy, like
> > he
> > was in NSNA.
> > Then again since Michael took over hes ruined the series
>
> I don't have a problem with a black guy playing a character in a
> remake of James Bond as long as he's not playing Bond himself. And I
> agree with your comment about Michael.-

Is it your claim that there are no black Scotsmen, or that there are
no black secret agents?

Imagine your horror if there were a female or a black captain of the
Enterprise!

HEY don't put words in people's mouths, point in fact we saw the first BLACK
FEMALE CAPT in
Star Trek IV, the late very wonderful Madge Sinclair
You no more turn 007 into a black man then you would Superman, or Batman ,
or Wonder Woman
now next time Princess Diana loses the contest maybe it'll be a black Amazon
who beats her. Recall some years back
Diana was replaced for a while?
Lastly there is a black GREEN LANTERN, but hes a different person John
Stewart, NOT Hal Jordan

[Vince]

"Vince" <vpilutis@**************> wrote in message
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> "grammatim" <grammatim@************> wrote in message
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> On May 29, 10:40 am, Charlie <cvarric...@********> wrote:
>> On May 28, 9:58 am, grammatim <gramma...@************> wrote:
>> > On May 28, 9:26 am, Charlie <cvarric...@********> wrote:
>> > > On May 27, 1:03 pm, grammatim <gramma...@************> wrote:
>> > > > On May 27, 10:18 am, Charlie <cvarric...@********> wrote:
>> > > > > On May 13, 11:32 pm, "Peter T. Daniels" <gramma...@************>
>> > > > > wrote:
>>
>> > > > > > was advertised on the Lost finale this evening. It opens June
>> > > > > > 12.
>> > > > > > Doesn't look like it's as good as the original.
>>
>> > > > > Generally none of the remakes are very good. Didn't Denzel make a
>> > > > > remake with the Manchurian Candidate? I don't think it fared well
>> > > > > either. And why is it they always have to have a black guy take
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > role like they did in the Wild Wild West when Will Smith played
>> > > > > Jim
>> > > > > West? Talk about ruining a movie. And then the rumors of Jamie
>> > > > > Foxx
>> > > > > playing Frank Sinatra, enough already. What if you casted a White
>> > > > > person to play Martin Luther King? Do you think blacks would be
>> > > > > visibly upset? I do. I can't fathom why in Hollyweird they just
>> > > > > can't
>> > > > > make original movies instead of ripping off one time great ones.
>> > > > > Same
>> > > > > thing with Planet of the Apes...a great movie in the 60's they
>> > > > > had to
>> > > > > ruin with the remake back in 2001.
>>
>> > > > I've no idea why Hollywood thinks remakes are a good idea.
>>
>> > > > Tell us, what actual white person is depicted in the story, such
>> > > > that
>> > > > having the character portrayed by a nonwhite person is
>> > > > inappropriate?
>>
>> > > > Would you be equally upset if the Walter Matthau role or the Robert
>> > > > Shaw role were played by, say, a woman?
>>
>> > > > What if the Doris Roberts role were taken by, say, Harvey
>> > > > Fierstein?
>>
>> > > I think Harvey could do her justice. I'm just saying that shows
>> > > popular say in the 60's and 70's like a Wild Wild West played by a
>> > > character who happened to be White would be more acceptable if
>> > > another
>> > > White actor portrayed him. The notion that Will Smith could play Jim
>> > > West when back then blacks didn't have that sort of opportunity to me
>> > > is just unbelievable. If you're going to do a remake, especially one
>> > > about an old TV show, recast using like people. Just like they did in
>> > > the I Spy remake. What if they had used a White actor to play Bill
>> > > Cosby's role, to me that would have been stupid. It works with old
>> > > movies like a Pelham 1,2,3 or a Manchurian Candidate perhaps but not
>> > > so much with TV shows from years ago. What if they did a movie remake
>> > > of the Munsters and casted the entire family as black, you don't
>> > > think
>> > > that would be a stupid decision?-
>>
I didn't see that part about the Munsters before, anyway point in fact
Herman was the Frankenstein
monster who was from (in the Universal films) Eastern Europe which only had
white folks back when.
There was a film from 1973 Blackenstein, only the DR wasn't Frankenstein,
just Dr Frank