Crossrail Update

On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy <thunderbird57...@m> wrote:
> According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
> Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
> it.
>
> Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
> cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.
>
> Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
> quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.

This, if true, is very bad news. The day will come when Londonners
will regret it.

Adrian

On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 <adrian_auerhud...m> wrote:
> On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy <thunderbird57...@m> wrote:
>
> > According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
> > Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
> > it.
>
> > Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
> > cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.
>
> > Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
> > quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.
>
> This, if true, is very bad news. The day will come when Londonners
> will regret it.

Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.

Ian

On Sep 24, 3:07 pm, The Real Doctor <ian.gro...@> wrote:
> On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 <adrian_auerhud...m> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy <thunderbird57...@m> wrote:
>
> > > According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
> > > Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
> > > it.
>
> > > Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
> > > cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.
>
> > > Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
> > > quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.
>
> > This, if true, is very bad news.  The day will come when Londonners
> > will regret it.
>
> Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
> as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
> twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
> of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
> route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.
>
> Ian

That figure sounds high to me.

The passenger carryings on Crossrail may render it one of the world's
most utilized railway lines. It will not quite have the cappacity of
a Paris RER line.

IMHO there is not chioce Crossrail has to be built.

On Sep 24, 3:07 pm, The Real Doctor <ian.gro...@> wrote:
> On 24 Sep, 20:48, 1506 <adrian_auerhud...m> wrote:
>
> > On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy <thunderbird57...@m> wrote:
>
> > > According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
> > > Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
> > > it.
>
> > > Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
> > > cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.
>
> > > Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
> > > quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.
>
> > This, if true, is very bad news.  The day will come when Londonners
> > will regret it.
>
> Just remember that the current estimated cost of Crossrail is the same
> as the Jubilee Line Extension (roughly the same length of tunnel,
> twice as many stations) AND the Channel Tunnel Rail Link (same length
> of tunnel plus 60 miles of track) AND the WCML works (revamp of 400+
> route miles, Trent Valley quadrupling) PUT TOGETHER.
>
> Ian

That figure sounds high to me.

The passenger carryings on Crossrail may render it one of the world's
most utilized railway lines. It will not quite have the cappacity of
a Paris RER line.


IMHO, there is no choice, Crossrail has to be built.

"Boltar" <boltar2003.uk> wrote
>
>Would there be any point in a new east-west tube line? Does the
>central line need relieving much?

The initial motivation for a new east-west cross-London line, which was
developed into Crossrail, was the severe overcrowding of the Central Line,
especially between Stratford and Chancery Lane.

Peter

On Sep 27, 1:20 am, "Jack May" <jack....@> wrote:
>
> Regret what?  The jobs have been moving out of central cities at a rapid
> rate for a long time.  The need for transit will continue to shrink as the
> jobs move away from the city to the better jobs elsewhere.

Which of course is one reason why we need projects like this, to boost
city centres and sustainable employment patterns - working in the
suburbs will be car-based, with all the congestion/pollution/carbon
emissions problems associated. And note that we're talking about
Britain here, where there hasn't been the same flight to the suburbs
as in North America.
Tim

On Sep 26, 5:20 pm, "Jack May" <jack....@> wrote:
> "1506" <adrian_auerhud...m> wrote in message
>
> news:8fe97e80-04f9-4cc7-a7ab-6ac3f7f88006@p31g2000prf..com...
> On Sep 24, 9:13 am, allan tracy <thunderbird57...@m> wrote:
>
> > According to Private Eye, the ‘it's all gone quiet’ surrounding the
> > Crossrail project is due to the treasury having not yet signed off on
> > it.
>
> > Rumour is they won’t either and that the DfT is working furiously on a
> > cut down cheaper version involving tube size tunnels.
>
> > Perhaps with the current financial crisis, it’s not anticipated that
> > quite so many will be commuting to the City in future years.
>
> ?This, if true, is very bad news.  The day will come when Londonners
> ?will regret it.
>
> Regret what?  The jobs have been moving out of central cities at a rapid
> rate for a long time.  The need for transit will continue to shrink as the
> jobs move away from the city to the better jobs elsewhere.

The Merchant Banker, May, speaks again.

Jack, how often have you commuted in Greater London?

>The "much loved" Astoria is in really bad state and shadow of the
>former self - not much regret here (from a regular visitor).

Is it suffering from planning blight though?
--
Roland Perry