378 move and GOB to be DC?

rosenstiel@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article <paadnUH8RLXFpkfVnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>,
> john.e.salmon@genshiem.cot (John Salmon) wrote:
>>
>> True, *all* the 3-car 508s went north but then several of them came
>> back south again, after the six-car trains were reduced to
>> three-car. So I'm not clear what point you're making.
>
> Only a few came back South, relatively speaking. Merseyside isn't the
> only place running 3-car trains of PEP stock.

15 (12 to SE and 3 to SL) is rather more than 'a few' from a fleet of 43.

On Sep 24, 10:04 pm, rosenst...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:

> So if I got to Denmark Hill station, how would I get to Central London
> without the South London Line service?

On a Dartford - Victoria or Sevenoaks - Blackfriars service. (Of
course, the latter will be a Sevenoaks - somewhere in Thameslink North
land service from next March...)

On 27 Sep, 14:48, Mizter T <mizte...@> wrote:

> On 27 Sep, 10:06, rosenst...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> > In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0809270031410.18...@urchin.earth.li >,
> > t...@urchin.earth.li (Tom Anderson) wrote:
>
> > > On Fri, 26 Sep 2008, rosenst...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > > In article
> > > <14e0f041-a118-4800-a225-bf5d86ed3...@k7g2000hsd..com>,
> > > > urptheb...m (Rupert Candy) wrote:
>
> > > >> On Sep 24, 10:04 pm, rosenst...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > >>> So if I got to Denmark Hill station, how would I get to Central
> > > >>> London without the South London Line service?
>
> > > >> On a Dartford - Victoria or Sevenoaks - Blackfriars service. (Of
> > > >> course, the latter will be a Sevenoaks - somewhere in Thameslink
> > > >> North land service from next March...)
>
> > > > Not exactly on the way to Liverpool Street though.
>
> > > Once the trains are running through, you can change at Farringdon.
>
> > A long way round though. Denmark Hill - London Bridge - Liverpool St is a
> > fairly direct route.
>
> Err, not really - in fact, I'd argue that the via Farringdon route is
> as direct as going via London Bridge.
>
> (snip)

One thing I forgot to mention in my reply above (which incidentally
perhaps sounds a bit harsh when I re-read it, that wasn't the
intention) is ELLX phase 2!

This would offer the opportunity of catching a direct train from DH to
the new Shoreditch High Street station, which is just up the road from
Liverpool Street. It's certainly not the direct route from DH to
Liverpool Street that the crow would fly, but it would offer a
frequent (every 15 mins) and direct train service to the eastern edge
of the City by going 'round the outside'. I think it'd be ideal for
journeys from DH to Liverpool Street, with a short walk of 5 mins or
so along Bishopsgate and Norton Folgate between the stations.

On Sep 27, 8:32 pm, rosenst...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
> In article
> <98ee7858-a597-48a3-a611-1629b31a4...@u65g2000hsc..com>,
>
>
>
>
>
> mizte...@ (Mizter T) wrote:
> > On 26 Sep, 22:26, rosenst...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > In article
> > <14e0f041-a118-4800-a225-bf5d86ed3...@k7g2000hsd..com>,
> > > urptheb...m (Rupert Candy) wrote:
>
> > > > On Sep 24, 10:04 pm, rosenst...@cix.compulink.co.uk wrote:
>
> > > > > So if I got to Denmark Hill station, how would I get to Central
> > > > > London without the South London Line service?
>
> > > > On a Dartford - Victoria or Sevenoaks - Blackfriars service. (Of
> > > > course, the latter will be a Sevenoaks - somewhere in Thameslink
> > > > North land service from next March...)
>
> > > Not exactly on the way to Liverpool Street though.
>
> > For a Denmark Hill aka Camberwell to Liverpool Street journey I have
> > to say that going via the SLL to London Bridge would not be the first
> > thing that popped into my head.
>
> > Incidentally I don't know how you get from London Bridge to Liverpool
> > Street - do you take the Northern line to Moorgate and walk round the
> > corner, or do you take a bus?
> > (One can take a Circle/Met/H&C train one stop from Moorgate to
> > Liverpool St station, but I'd choose to walk it at street level as I
> > think it's just as quick - I suppose the Circle line at Liverrpool
> > Street does deliver you fairly close to the concourse though. That
> > said, if I was using Oyster PAYG for my journey on the mainline trains
> > out of LST then I'd quite possibly go to Liverpool St Underground
> > station so I could take advantage of being charged for one continuous
> > journey rather than two separate journeys.)
>
> > Anyway, my alternate routes from DH/Camberwell to Liverpool St would
> > either be to take a bus (routes 185/ 36/ 436) up Camberwell New Road
> > to Oval tube station then Northern line to Moorgate, or just take a
> > bus all the way - the 35 and 42 go from Camberwell Green to Liverpool
> > St, the 40 goes to Aldgate which is a v short walk away, or if one is
> > feeling adventurous and is prepared to grapple with the somewhat
> > esoteric ways of Elephant & Castle one can bus hop (i.e. first bus
> > from Camberwell to E&C, then one of three bus routes on to Liverpool
> > St). And yes, I'd genuinely say that taking a bus off-peak might well
> > compare quite favourably to your option of taking a train from DH to
> > London Bridge and then doing whatever it is that you do. However I'm
> > aware that often my efforts to persuade people that the bus is a
> > legitimate option worthy of consideration are just exercises in
> > futility!
>
> > Yet more options could involve taking the train from DH to E&C then
> > taking the Northern line to Moorgate, or taking a bus from Camberwell
> > to E&C then the tube, or variations thereof.
>
> > Tom Anderson's suggestion of the possibility of taking a direct train
> > from DH to Farringdon (post-March '09) is also actually a very good
> > one in my mind - but I'll address what I think are your slightly
> > misplaced concerns about that downthread...
>
> My comment was based on a trip to King's College Hospital to visit my
> father as an inpatient some years ago. I must have misremembered my
> destination as Liverpool St. I arrived on the SLL from the other direction.
>
> Note that Camberwell Green is quite a walk from King's compared to one to
> Denmark Hill station and I don't much like buses anyway. So I wouldn't
> have considered a bus alternative, even if I still knew the routes (I used
> them years ago when father worked at King's and I went there for dental
> treatment. I was also born there but not managing my transport options in
> those days).
>
> I suppose I was going to somewhere nearer London Bridge and not Cambridge
> via Liverpool St. My point was that a lot of people use King's for work
> and medical purposes and as much want to go inwards in South East London
> as outwards, I suppose.

I think people may certainly travel between the two hospitals at
Denmark Hill and next to London Bridge station.

What I would much rather see than any of the proposals, and which
would require no infrastructure work or additional paths, would be the
restoration of the evening services to Dartford. They were always
more useful to me than the daytime services.