North London Line blockade

On Tue, 19 Aug 2008 20:43:29 GMT, "Peter Lawrence"
<pj.lawrence@idnet.com> wrote:

>
>With the forthcoming ten week bloclade of the North London line, I am
>surprised that LO cannot offer a replacement bus from Wet Hampstead,
>and other stations on the line, to Willesdan Jn, Instead they offer
>bus to Queens Park and then train, adding another change of mode and
>therefore delay.
>
Get on your bike and try the road route. I can't find anything about a
closure but I suspect a better question would be something on the
lines of "Why don't they run some trains via Primrose Hill to
compensate?" (assuming the NLL isn't closed east of Camden Road).

>I am further suprised that LO's timetable does not give any times for
>the replacement buses. Would anyone like to guess how long West
>Hampstead to Queen's Park might take?
>
Even longer in the rush hour.

>NRE are no help; asked for St Albans to Kensington O via West
>Hampstead they send me via East Croydon at nearly double the usual
>fare!

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Neil Williams wrote:

> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:57:04 +0100, asdf <invalid@invalid.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
>> bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
>> instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?
>
> Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
> future plans?

Crikey. I hadn't thought of that. I can't decide if that's brilliant or
shocking.

Either way, the results will be interesting.

tom

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On Aug 20, 3:04 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Neil Williams wrote:
> > On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:57:04 +0100, asdf <inva...@invalid.invalid>
> > wrote:
>
> >> I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
> >> bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
> >> instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?
>
> > Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
> > future plans?
>
> Crikey. I hadn't thought of that. I can't decide if that's brilliant or
> shocking.
>
> Either way, the results will be interesting.

I doubt it. People will just put up with it and grumble among
themselves.

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, MIG wrote:

> On Aug 20, 3:04 pm, Tom Anderson <t...@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Neil Williams wrote:
>>> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 04:57:04 +0100, asdf <inva...@invalid.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>> I suppose the real question is, why don't they run a Willesden Jn (LL
>>>> bay platform) to Stratford service, in addition to the Euston service,
>>>> instead of completely arbitrarily withdrawing the service to Euston?
>>
>>> Because they want to experiment to see what happens, to dictate their
>>> future plans?
>>
>> Crikey. I hadn't thought of that. I can't decide if that's brilliant or
>> shocking.
>>
>> Either way, the results will be interesting.
>
> I doubt it. People will just put up with it and grumble among
> themselves.

Doubtless. But the alternative routes they take will be telling. The
Bakerloo-to-Watford theory rests on the idea that people from up the DC
line can get to their final destinations easily enough via the Bakerloo
line and its interchanges. If we see loads of people struggling through to
Euston by bus, Northern line, etc, that will contradict that. I think.

tom

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On 20 Aug, 20:21, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams)
wrote:
> On Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:14:22 -0700 (PDT), Andy <andyp...@>
> wrote:
>
> > The more overcrowded services seem to be those that are
> >first stop Watford and then most stops to Milton Keynes.
>
> From what I can see, the *most* overcrowded are the Tring locals,
> followed by the Bletchley semi-locals, followed by the
> Leighton/MKC/Northampton fasts, followed by the (Harrow), Watford then
> most stops to Northampton runs as the least busy.
>
> But remember that the LM timetable won't now change substantially in
> the near future after the 2009 changes, and it needs to take into
> account massive growth in the Milton Keynes/Bletchley to/from Euston
> run.  Thus, piling on the local passengers makes about as much sense
> as crowding out Euston to Glasgow services between Euston and MKC,
> which VT are very keen on avoiding.
>
> LO do have a point in that the Bakerloo might actually take up the
> slack (and given that most people aren't actually going *to* Euston it
> probably will), with people changing from that as appropriate.  But
> does the Bakerloo have capacity?

Tons of room, at least as far south as Willesden, in both peaks. the
overcrowded ones are the overground ones -- which always seem to
arrive a couple of minutes before a much longer bakerloo. Surely it
would make more sense to run a bakerloo ahead of a LO, and then stop
them both at Queens park to allow cross platform. (Extending LO to 6
car trains, maintaining 3tph, in the peak would help too, but I guess
there's stock problems

On Wed, 20 Aug 2008, Andy wrote:

> On Aug 20, 8:21 pm, wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams)
> wrote:
>
>> LO do have a point in that the Bakerloo might actually take up the
>> slack (and given that most people aren't actually going *to* Euston it
>> probably will), with people changing from that as appropriate. But
>> does the Bakerloo have capacity?
>
> There are actually quite a few employers around Euston (e.g. UCLH,
> UCL, University of London),

Inland Revenue HQ, Network Rail HQ, Wellcome Trust HQ, a lot of big shops
and offices on Tottenham Court Road and in Fitzrovia ...

This is the point i always make in relation to the Watfoloo plan - the
Euston area is a fairly major traffic generator in its own right, like
Waterloo. Re-routing trains which go there to go somewhere else is going
to inconvenience rather a lot of people. Yes, there will be many others
who are better served by a route that goes into the west end, but it's far
from clear that they're in a majority.

tom

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On 19 Aug, 21:43, "Peter Lawrence" <pj.lawre...@idnet.com> wrote:

Would anyone like to guess how long West Hampstead to Queen's Park
might take?


Peter

Queens Park to West Hampstead is scheduled to take 15 minutes. It
will be quicker to change at South Hampstead as that is only 5-10
minutes away from West Hampstead. Stay on the train for as long as
you can..!!

A few further notes to explain other comments:

Euston is not served Mon-Sat to allow trains to divert to Stratford,
therefore providing connections from Camden Road to Stratford with
Willesden Junction. Euston can be reached by changing at Highbury &
Islington.

Willesden Junction not served by bus service A, as it will be quicker
for passengers to change at Queens Park or South Hampstead to reach
destinations to Gospel Oak. There is too much traffic in the
Willesden Junction area to make it reliable for a rail replacement
bus.

Service B will not terminate at Blackhorse Road and has been extended
to Walthamstow Central Station via Walthamstow Queens Road.

HTH

Ian

On 21 Aug, 01:20, Andy <andyp...@> wrote:
> > > How would that help, when at least 100 people get on (morning) or off
> > > (evening) each trains at Harrow each day and there is no capacity for
> > > them on the DC lines.
>
> > It would mean 100 less people getting on/off at harrow, meaning the
> > trains aren't as crowded, and dont leave people behind at Euston.
> > While the trains can just about cope when all is well, when there's
> > the slightest problem it all goes to pot.
>
> So where do these 100 people go? I few of them use London Midland to
> avoid the overground London Overground service which they then change
> onto at Harrow, but what about the rest? When LM go wrong and LO have
> to take over, things get much worse!

Well, I for example, get off and get the bus to Bushey, as I'd need to
get a bus either way, so I might as well have a cheaper ticket. The
price differential between Bushey and H&W is disproportionate IMHO,
given the bus that runs between them.

On 21 Aug, 11:30, Jamie Thompson <jamiero...@> wrote:
> On 21 Aug, 01:20, Andy <andyp...@> wrote:
>
>
> Well, I for example, get off and get the bus to Bushey, as I'd need to
> get a bus either way, so I might as well have a cheaper ticket. The
> price differential between Bushey and H&W is disproportionate IMHO,
> given the bus that runs between them.


Jamie

The London Midland trains are not affected. They will continue to run
in and out of Euston.

Ian

On 22 Aug, 14:26, Ian Rivett <ianriv...@> wrote:
> On 21 Aug, 11:30, Jamie  Thompson <jamiero...@> wrote:
>
> > On 21 Aug, 01:20, Andy <andyp...@> wrote:
>
> > Well, I for example, get off and get the bus to Bushey, as I'd need to
> > get a bus either way, so I might as well have a cheaper ticket. The
> > price differential between Bushey and H&W is disproportionate IMHO,
> > given the bus that runs between them.
>
> Jamie
>
> The London Midland trains are not affected.  They will continue to run
> in and out of Euston.
>
> Ian

Oh yes, I know. I though we were discussing why people were getting
off the AC services at Harrow rather than using the DC services. I was
just pointing out my minor contribution to the figures :)