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Old 16th August 2008, 06:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Around and about the City today, I note route 388 has been extended to
Temple - I believe this may have been the first day of the extension.

The original (2003) terminus of this route was Mansion House, with an
extension to Blackfriars in 2004. Now the 388 has gone one more stop along
the District Line. I wonder when the Embankment extension will happen?

Whenever I observe buses on this route, west of Liverpool Street, loadings
are *very* light. However, the latest extension will keep buses 'on stand'
away from the major building work which will shortly overwhelm Blackfriars -
perhaps that was the intention?

The extension serves a short section of Victoria Embankment which has, in
recent years, only been served by a Night Bus route. I also note that Temple
station was not previously served by a day bus route (1), which must be very
unusual within the TfL area. Are any other Underground stations within
London Boroughs not served by TfL bus routes?

Chris

(1) By which I mean the stop labelled 'Temple Station'. I know Aldwych is
very well served and only two minutes walk from Temple.


 
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Old 16th August 2008, 07:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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On Aug 16, 11:41�pm, "Chris Read" <chris...@> wrote:
> Around and about the City today, I note route 388 has been extended to
> Temple - I believe this may have been the first day of the extension.
>
> The original (2003) terminus of this route was Mansion House, with an
> extension to Blackfriars in 2004. Now the 388 has gone one more stop along
> the District Line. I wonder when the Embankment extension will happen?
>
> Whenever I observe buses on this route, west of Liverpool Street, loadings
> are *very* light. However, the latest extension will keep buses 'on stand'
> away from the major building work which will shortly overwhelm Blackfriars -
> perhaps that was the intention?
>
> The extension serves a short section of Victoria Embankment which has, in
> recent years, only been served by a Night Bus route. I also note that Temple
> station was not previously served by a day bus route (1), which must be very
> unusual within the TfL area. Are any other Underground stations within
> London Boroughs not served by TfL bus routes?
>
> Chris
>
> (1) By which I mean the stop labelled 'Temple Station'. I know Aldwych is
> very well served and only two minutes walk from Temple.


I wonder whether this Westward extension has anything to do with the
proposed closure of Blackfriars Station madness, so at least people
who can't/don't want to walk half a mile can get out at Temple and get
the 388 to Blackfriars?

It's always surprised me that this stretch of the Embankment, which
once saw literally dozens of tram journeys every hour in each
direction, is now served by no bus routes at all, save for this new
short extension.

Marc.
 
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Old 16th August 2008, 08:10 PM   #3 (permalink)
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On Aug 17, 12:51�am, "Mait...@" <Mait...@> wrote:
> On Aug 16, 11:41 pm, "Chris Read" <chris...@> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > Around and about the City today, I note route 388 has been extended to
> > Temple - I believe this may have been the first day of the extension.

>
> > The original (2003) terminus of this route was Mansion House, with an
> > extension to Blackfriars in 2004. Now the 388 has gone one more stop along
> > the District Line. I wonder when the Embankment extension will happen?

>
> > Whenever I observe buses on this route, west of Liverpool Street, loadings
> > are *very* light. However, the latest extension will keep buses 'on stand'
> > away from the major building work which will shortly overwhelm Blackfriars -
> > perhaps that was the intention?

>
> > The extension serves a short section of Victoria Embankment which has, in
> > recent years, only been served by a Night Bus route. I also note that Temple
> > station was not previously served by a day bus route (1), which must be very
> > unusual within the TfL area. Are any other Underground stations within
> > London Boroughs not served by TfL bus routes?

>
> > Chris

>
> > (1) By which I mean the stop labelled 'Temple Station'. I know Aldwych is
> > very well served and only two minutes walk from Temple.

>
> I wonder whether this Westward extension has anything to do with the
> proposed closure of Blackfriars Station madness, so at least people
> who can't/don't want to walk half a mile can get out at Temple and get
> the 388 to Blackfriars?
>
> It's always surprised me that this stretch of the Embankment, which
> once saw literally dozens of tram journeys every hour in each
> direction, is now served by no bus routes at all, save for this new
> short extension.
>
> Marc.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -


In reply to the main question, I don't think any of the following are
served by bus routes:-

Baron's Court
Parson's Green
St. James' Park

Marc.
 
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Old 16th August 2008, 09:43 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Chris Read wrote:

> Whenever I observe buses on this route, west of Liverpool Street, loadings
> are *very* light. However, the latest extension will keep buses 'on stand'
> away from the major building work which will shortly overwhelm Blackfriars -
> perhaps that was the intention?


Correct, that was why we extended the 388 from Blackfriars to Temple.
The existing stand space will be taken over by Network Rail when they
properly move onto the site, as part of the Blackfriars rebuild. The
creation of a link to Temple is a nice little bonus for those who can't,
or won't, walk once Blackfriars LU is closed.

Cheers

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Mait001@ wrote:
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> In reply to the main question, I don't think any of the following are
> served by bus routes:-
>
> Baron's Court
> Parson's Green
> St. James' Park


Fairlop
Roding Valley


 
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Old 17th August 2008, 07:57 AM   #6 (permalink)
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John Rowland wrote:
> Mait001@ wrote:
>> In reply to the main question, I don't think any of the following are
>> served by bus routes:-
>>
>> Baron's Court
>> Parson's Green
>> St. James' Park

>
> Fairlop
> Roding Valley
>
>

Mornington Crescent...Oh...Wait. :D
 
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