Fares on the DLR vs tube

On Aug 10, 8:26 pm, asdf <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
> But, well, that's not how they've done it. I suspect it would probably
> be far too expensive for too little benefit to retrofit it now.

Too little benefit for who? The passengers? I think they'd be quite
happy to save a quid a trip.

B2003

On Aug 10, 8:37 pm, Jarle H Knudsen <j...@jarle.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:15:54 -0700 (PDT), MIG wrote:
> >> The Oyster system does NOT have an internal representation of the Tube
> >> map, on which it runs some sort of AI software, to dynamically work
> >> out what route you've taken, taking into account any touches you may
> >> have made along the way, and from that work out what zones you've
> >> passed through.
>
> You don't need very advanced software to do this. In fact, the problem
> would be a suitable exercise for an introductory course on data structures
> and algorithm analysis.

They shouldn't even need that. Anyone with half a brain could solve
this problem - if you didn't start or end your journey in zone 1, you
travelled on the NLL and only travelled on tube lines that directly
connect to the NLL then you didn't go through zone 1.

B2003

On Aug 11, 11:58 am, Mr Thant
<maha.thray.sithu.u.th...@> wrote:
> On 11 Aug, 11:53, Boltar <boltar2....uk> wrote:
>
> > They shouldn't even need that. Anyone with half a brain could solve
> > this problem - if you didn't start or end your journey in zone 1, you
> > travelled on the NLL and only travelled on tube lines that directly
> > connect to the NLL then you didn't go through zone 1.
>
> [cough]West Hampstead[/cough]
>
> U

Boltar wrote:

>> But, well, that's not how they've done it. I suspect it would probably
>> be far too expensive for too little benefit to retrofit it now.

> Too little benefit for who? The passengers? I think they'd be quite
> happy to save a quid a trip.

Yes I find it absurd that TfL talks up the importance of the orbital routes
as a way to avoid the crushes and stresses of travelling through Zone 1, yet
the Oyster fare policy doesn't work to encourage such shifting.

Also are Zone 2 & 3 travelcards on Oyster charged extra for what is an
entirely valid journey on the TC alone?

On Aug 11, 3:56 pm, John B <s...@johnband.org> wrote:
> On Aug 11, 2:32 pm, Paul Corfield <aoo...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> > I expect bus
> > fares to move away from being flat between now and 2012 because income
> > will be rated more important than things like change giving and dwell
> > time.
>
> That's bloody depressing. Surely at worst they could impose a flat
> penalty cash fare (kind of like we already have) and then vary PAYG
> fares with distance...?


I don't see how non-flat fares could be imposed on buses without
involving conductors etc, nor without a lot of investment in GPS or
something to tell the Oyster system where you got on and off, and with
people having to learn to touch out of buses, which would currently
charge you double.