Storage of London tube stock?

On Aug 1, 6:04 pm, johnnyburk...@ wrote:

> Does anyone know what London tube stock is going to be stored there?

Presumably, the new stock for the Victoria Line, if ...

1) Production has started on the main fleet
2) The pre-series testing on the prototype unit(s) hasn't been
completed.

Other than that, no idea.

On Fri, 1 Aug 2008 09:30:38 -0700 (PDT), Matt Forbes
<MJForbes@> wrote:

>On Aug 1, 6:04 pm, johnnyburk...@ wrote:
>
>> Does anyone know what London tube stock is going to be stored there?
>
>Presumably, the new stock for the Victoria Line, if ...
>
>1) Production has started on the main fleet
>2) The pre-series testing on the prototype unit(s) hasn't been
>completed.
>
>Other than that, no idea.
>
Possibly not just tube stock but also new S stock ?

On Aug 1, 5:55 pm, Chris Tolley <cj...@supanet.com> wrote:
> johnnyburk...@ wrote:
> > Does anyone know what London tube stock is going to be stored there?
>
> Precedent might suggest that it will be whatever is destined for the
> Isle of Wight in about 2050.

Don't joke! I couldn't believe the way in which the 1938 stock's
bodywork has deteriorated in the past few years - huge patches of rust
right the way along the solebar and over the roof. The refurbishment
and repaint looks very pretty, but you really get the feeling they're
papering (or painting!) over the cracks...

Remind me again - why couldn't they send the old Jubilee stock to the
Island, or tack on an order for (say) 8 2-car units to the end of the
Victoria Line production run?

Rupert Candy wrote:
> On Aug 1, 5:55 pm, Chris Tolley <cj...@supanet.com> wrote:
>> johnnyburk...@ wrote:
>>> Does anyone know what London tube stock is going to be stored there?
>>
>> Precedent might suggest that it will be whatever is destined for the
>> Isle of Wight in about 2050.
>
> Don't joke! I couldn't believe the way in which the 1938 stock's
> bodywork has deteriorated in the past few years - huge patches of rust
> right the way along the solebar and over the roof. The refurbishment
> and repaint looks very pretty, but you really get the feeling they're
> papering (or painting!) over the cracks...
>
> Remind me again - why couldn't they send the old Jubilee stock to the
> Island, or tack on an order for (say) 8 2-car units to the end of the
> Victoria Line production run?

Probably the effect of sea spray on modern underfloor electronics while
trundling along Ryde Pier. See Voyagers and Dawlish for similar problems...

Paul

On Aug 1, 8:35 pm, "Paul Scott" <notvalidpmsc...@>
wrote:
> Rupert Candy wrote:
> > Remind me again - why couldn't they send the old Jubilee stock to the
> > Island, or tack on an order for (say) 8 2-car units to the end of the
> > Victoria Line production run?
>
> Probably the effect of sea spray on modern underfloor electronics while
> trundling along Ryde Pier.  See Voyagers and Dawlish for similar problems...

I suppose so, though Portsmouth Harbour doesn't seem to have scuttled
the Desiros yet...

Rupert Candy wrote:
> On Aug 1, 8:35 pm, "Paul Scott" <notvalidpmsc...@>
> wrote:
>> Rupert Candy wrote:
>>> Remind me again - why couldn't they send the old Jubilee stock to
>>> the Island, or tack on an order for (say) 8 2-car units to the end
>>> of the Victoria Line production run?
>>
>> Probably the effect of sea spray on modern underfloor electronics
>> while trundling along Ryde Pier. See Voyagers and Dawlish for
>> similar problems...
>
> I suppose so, though Portsmouth Harbour doesn't seem to have scuttled
> the Desiros yet...

I don't think waves ever reach track level in the harbour station though...

Paul

> > I suppose so, though Portsmouth Harbour doesn't seem to have scuttled
> > the Desiros yet...

But underside sea spray proofing might have bene in the spec - whereas
this would not have been a '83 stock requirement.

--
Nick

> >Presumably, the new stock for the Victoria Line, if ...
>
> >1) Production has started on the main fleet
> >2) The pre-series testing on the prototype unit(s) hasn't been
> >completed.
>
> >Other than that, no idea.
>
> Possibly not just tube stock but also new S stock ?

I did think of the "S" stock when I wrote my original reply, but these
haven't even reached the pre-series prototype stage yet have they?

On Aug 2, 12:49 am, Matt Forbes <MJFor...@> wrote:

> > Possibly not just tube stock but also new S stock ?

> I did think of the "S" stock when I wrote my original reply, but these
> haven't even reached the pre-series prototype stage yet have they?

Indeed; a key fact missing from the report is how long depot to be
used.

--
Nick

Chaps,

I believe you _may_ be barking up the wrong tree.

There is a plan for the best of the 1962 stock to be stored undercover
for possible use on the Bakerloo. At least, this was the suggested
plan a year ago, when TfL made no secret of its wish to reroute the
Watford-Euston DC service to Primrose Hill, and run tube stock through
from Watford to Elephant.

However, storage of 2009 victoria line stock also seems plausible - I
believe there may need to be a switch of trains en-masse, as the old
and new signalling systems are not compatible.

On the met, the S stock will be able to operate under conventional
signalling, as the auto operation will come later.