air conditioned buses

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:30:37 +0100, Stuart <meeee@dotcodotuk.co.uk>
wrote:

>The new buses on the 102 route appear to be air conditioned, but it is
>totally useless as all of the windows open.
Seems opening windows be it a hot day or cold when they get on board a
bus is an obsession with some people.

Paul Corfield wrote:

> On the 102 it would be the latter - a new Enviro 400. There is only bus
> in London on TfL routes that has had proper air conditioning when built
> (a sole vehicle with First in West London) and I believe it has had the
> air con removed as it was so unreliable.

I thought the buses used for the "Millennium Transit" from Charlton to
the tent had proper aircon installed, though I stand for correction on that?

Cheers,

Barry

On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 19:12:20 GMT, wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil
Williams) wrote:

>On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 18:43:46 GMT, mymail@m wrote:
>
>>Aircon works keeping vehicles at a constant tempriture so no need to
>>incorporate opening windows in winter or summer .
>
>Except that aircon isn't 100% reliable, so some (normally locked)
>opening windows are a sensible precaution for the event that it fails
>to save the vehicle becoming unbearable to travel in.
I am a person who only knows how to drive vehicles not what goes on
under the bonnet can any one tell me why or what causes a car or any
other vehicle fitted with aircon use more fuel when the aircon is in
use ? . I only came by this information today otherwise I would not
have been giving the aircon in the new car so much stick this week ,
no mention in the handbook regarding the aircon using fuel !.

mymail@m gurgled happily, sounding much like they were saying:

> I am a person who only knows how to drive vehicles not what goes on
> under the bonnet can any one tell me why or what causes a car or any
> other vehicle fitted with aircon use more fuel when the aircon is in
> use ? . I only came by this information today otherwise I would not have
> been giving the aircon in the new car so much stick this week , no
> mention in the handbook regarding the aircon using fuel !.

The compressor for the aircon doesn't just spin round on it's own. It's
belt-driven from the engine, and requires effort to turn it. That effort
puts extra load on the engine, which requires fuel.

OTOH, NOT using the aircon is the best way to make sure it doesn't work.
The seals dry out, and the gas escapes.

On Sat, 26 Jul 2008 00:56:51 +0100, Steve M <303091@stevo.force9.net>
wrote:

>mymail@m wrote:
>> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 17:30:37 +0100, Stuart <meeee@dotcodotuk.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The new buses on the 102 route appear to be air conditioned, but it is
>>> totally useless as all of the windows open.
>> Seems opening windows be it a hot day or cold when they get on board a
>> bus is an obsession with some people.
>>
>
>Nah, we just like to have some fresh air blowing around us and don't
>want to sit sweltering in the heat. Perhaps you should put on an extra
>layer if you're feeling a bit parky, while we're all boiling away?

Just the opposite actually Steve when the temps start to sore above 60
I start praying for winter to come, I hate heat but there is a big
difference between sitting in a cool enviroment and sitting three
seats back from someone who has just boarded a bus and immediately
opens the window next to his/her seat. They of course do not feel any
benefit from their actions at all and people in these seats do not
want or feel the need to have a cold breeze blowing in their faces
otherwise they would open the windows themselves. The best or worst of
this is the "open window fanatic" gets of the bus at the next stop the
offending window gets closed again and we all start enjoying our
journey again .