Escaped Circle Line train at Aldgate East

Walter Briscoe wrote:

> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at
> Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no
> mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something
> akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street".
>
> Where might it have been parked?
> What wanderings do Circle Line services do?

Probably entering service from Upney (Barking) sidings, where a number of
C-stock trains are berthed nightly.

I recall this service from my time living in Barking. It always caused a
degree of confusion to the bleary-eyed, early on a Sunday. Not least
because, with no H&C service east of Whitechapel on a Sunday, nobody at
Barking expected to see a C-stock train in service.

Plus, of course, the obvious question as to whether this 'Circle Line' train
would become a clockwise or anti-clockwise service!

Chris

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:52:33 +0100, "Chris Read"
<chris117@btinternet.com> wrote:

>
>Walter Briscoe wrote:
>
>> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train at
>> Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE". There was no
>> mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA sounded something
>> akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via Liverpool Street".
>>
>> Where might it have been parked?
>> What wanderings do Circle Line services do?
>
>Probably entering service from Upney (Barking) sidings, where a number of
>C-stock trains are berthed nightly.
>
>I recall this service from my time living in Barking. It always caused a
>degree of confusion to the bleary-eyed, early on a Sunday. Not least
>because, with no H&C service east of Whitechapel on a Sunday, nobody at
>Barking expected to see a C-stock train in service.
>
>Plus, of course, the obvious question as to whether this 'Circle Line' train
>would become a clockwise or anti-clockwise service!

Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to
Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching
Liverpool Street/Tower Hill?

James Farrar wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:52:33 +0100, "Chris Read"
> <chris117@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Walter Briscoe wrote:
>>
>>> At about 07.40 on Sunday morning 20/07/08, I saw a westbound train
>>> at Aldgate East. The destination on the front was "CIRCLE LINE".
>>> There was no mention of it on the platform train describer. The PA
>>> sounded something akin to: "This is a Circle Line service via
>>> Liverpool Street".
>
> Surely it should announce as H&C to Edgware Road or District to
> Gloucester Road (is that possible?), as appropriate, until reaching
> Liverpool Street/Tower Hill?

Then people going to Notting Hill Gate would get off at Mile End
unneccessarily...

On Jul 21, 8:24 pm, rosenst...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
> In article <g6273d$hv8$2$8302b...@news.demon.co.uk>,
>
> phil-n...@tinsleyviaduct.com (Phil Reynolds) wrote:
> > The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just
> > Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was
> > probably being turned.
>
> They only have the Wimbleware part of the District on their line
> diagrams.

They used to oddly have Olympia, even though they didn't go there as
far as I know.

On Jul 21, 9:19 pm, asdf <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:42 +0100 (BST), Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
> >> Nowadays, the Barking sidings are mainly used for C stock, with the
> >> odd bit of D stock, but I think before the Jubilee extension and its
> >> effects on Neasden, there wasn't much C stock stabled at Barking, but
> >> some was stabled at Neasden.  I wondered how they went into service
> >> from there, but I never saw it happening.
>
> >Via the Met and Baker St, surely?
>
> But did they go into service at Wembley Park (or Finchley Road, or the
> Met platforms at Baker Street), and if so were they advertised as
> Aldgate or Circle Line?

Yeah, I didn't mean physically how, but I was wondering what they
did. For example, would everything entering service from Neasden run
clockwise, or did some reverse etc etc.

On Jul 21, 9:22 pm, rosenst...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
> In article <4884ee7d.104778...@news.***************>,
>
> wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams) wrote:
> > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:45:56 +0100, Paul Corfield
> > <aoo...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> > >I may be mistaken but I thought that there was a service from Edgware
> > >Road to Olympia that ran for a short period of time.
>
> > ISTR that as well.  What currently serves Olympia?
>
> D Stock on shuttles from High St Ken.

I didn't remember C stock going to Olympia. Was it a very short
period that service ran for?

It wouldn't explain Olympia being on the C stock diagrams in any case
because as far as I know it was on there consistently (and oddly) from
about 1979 till the last couple of years.

On Jul 22, 12:36 am, MIG <googles...@doreenbird.co.uk> wrote:
> On Jul 21, 9:22 pm, rosenst...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
>
> > In article <4884ee7d.104778...@news.***************>,
>
> > wensleyd...@pacersplace.org.uk (Neil Williams) wrote:
> > > On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:45:56 +0100, Paul Corfield
> > > <aoo...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> > > >I may be mistaken but I thought that there was a service from Edgware
> > > >Road to Olympia that ran for a short period of time.
>
> > > ISTR that as well.  What currently serves Olympia?
>
> > D Stock on shuttles from High St Ken.
>
> I didn't remember C stock going to Olympia.  Was it a very short
> period that service ran for?
>
> It wouldn't explain Olympia being on the C stock diagrams in any case
> because as far as I know it was on there consistently (and oddly) from
> about 1979 till the last couple of years.

I certainly travelled in C stock to Olympia on several occasions in
the early 1990s. My records show the first time was May '93 and the
last Jan '94. By June '94 (and also 1st Jan '94), it was back to D
Stock. As mentioned above, the service was Edgware Road - Olympia.

Paul Corfield wrote:
>
> I may be mistaken but I thought that there was a service from Edgware
> Road to Olympia that ran for a short period of time.

In the timetable I have, it was morning rush hour only. Olympia had a
D-stock shuttle to HSK at other times.

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:24 +0100 (BST), rosenstiel@cix.co.uk (Colin
Rosenstiel) wrote:

>In article <g6273d$hv8$2$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk>,
>phil-news@tinsleyviaduct.com (Phil Reynolds) wrote:
>
>> The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just
>> Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was
>> probably being turned.
>
>They only have the Wimbleware part of the District on their line
>diagrams.

Which makes it fun when they end up going to Ealing, as I've seen a
couple of times. I was very surprised the first time I was getting on
the District at Chiswick Park and a C stock train turned up.

On Jul 22, 7:59 pm, Phil Reynolds <phil-n...@tinsleyviaduct.com>
wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:24:00 +0100, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
> > In article <g6273d$hv8$2$8302b...@news.demon.co.uk>,
> > phil-n...@tinsleyviaduct.com (Phil Reynolds) wrote:
>
> >> The C stocks can serve virtually all of the District Line - not just
> >> Wimbleware - but if you saw a Circle at Aldgate East, it was
> >> probably being turned.
>
> > They only have the Wimbleware part of the District on their line
> > diagrams.
>
> Yes, as that is normally the only part of the District Line they serve
> (technically C77s rather than C69s).

C77s were introduced to allow C stock to cover that bit of the
District, but there was never any separation of fleets. The first C
stock on the District was C69, and the first C77 stock went into
service on the Hammersmith.