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Old 8th July 2008, 06:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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In article <tr-dnaFq-Yz7Fe7VnZ2dneKdnZydnZ2d@bt.com>,
notvalidpmscott@ (Paul Scott) wrote:

> However would they have happened without the Olympics, or would the
> 313s etc have been given an overhaul and relivery for a few years
> more use?


How many of the 313 units are going back to the GN they were built for?

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Old 8th July 2008, 06:24 PM   #2 (permalink)
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In article <g50ndc$f01$2@leverton.org>, nick@leverton.org (Nick Leverton)
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> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807081548500.18553@urchin.earth.li >,
> Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
> >On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Roland Perry wrote:
> >
> >> In message <nY2dnQ4uC_p98e7VRVnyugA@bt.com>, at 14:31:28 on Tue,
> >> 8 Jul 2008, Paul Scott <notvalidpmscott@> remarked:
> >>
> >>> and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that
> >>> has gone a little quiet).
> >>
> >> East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South
> >> Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they
> >> were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line
> >> are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously).

> >
> >No, no - they're for the 500 metre train pull.

>
> This being the DfT's latest plan for how trains should propel

themselves
> in the event of power failure :)


Not exactly. They have no clue how trains should propel themselves in the
event of power failure. They are just specifying it as an essential
requirement in procurement and expecting suppliers to answer the question
for them.

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Old 9th July 2008, 01:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Colin Rosenstiel wrote:

> In article <g50ndc$f01$2@leverton.org>, nick@leverton.org (Nick Leverton)
> wrote:
>
>> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0807081548500.18553@urchin.earth.li >,
>> Tom Anderson <twic@urchin.earth.li> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>
>>>> In message <nY2dnQ4uC_p98e7VRVnyugA@bt.com>, at 14:31:28 on Tue,
>>>> 8 Jul 2008, Paul Scott <notvalidpmscott@> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>> and an order for new units for the Stansted Express (although that
>>>>> has gone a little quiet).
>>>>
>>>> East Midlands news today crowing about a Bombardier order for South
>>>> Africa that they've just started to deliver; also mentioned they
>>>> were building new trains for London "for the Olympics". What line
>>>> are they for (not Crossrail or Javelin, obviously).
>>>
>>> No, no - they're for the 500 metre train pull.

>>
>> This being the DfT's latest plan for how trains should propel
>> themselves in the event of power failure :)

>
> Not exactly. They have no clue how trains should propel themselves in
> the event of power failure. They are just specifying it as an essential
> requirement in procurement and expecting suppliers to answer the
> question for them.


I've just seen the latest update to that specification - apparently, they
also want a pony.

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In message <memo.20080708232419.2788Y@cam002297.rosenstiel.co .uk>, at
23:24:00 on Tue, 8 Jul 2008, Colin Rosenstiel <rosenstiel@cix.co.uk>
remarked:
>They have no clue how trains should propel themselves in the
>event of power failure.


Apparently the plan is to have some trapdoors in the floor, and hope
that Fred Flintstone is aboard.
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