Euston - Watford Junction

Hi All

I know Oyster PAYG is valid on London Overground services, but is it valid
using London Midland services ?

I am travelling this Sunday and intend to get London Midland trains as LO
has engineering works between H&W and WJ.

Cheers

"Sam" <Jackdw@m> wrote in message
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>
> Hi All
>
> I know Oyster PAYG is valid on London Overground services, but is it valid
> using London Midland services ?
>

Yes - PAYG was live on London Midland about a week after the introduction of
PAYG on the LO (& Southern)services.

Paul

On 5 Mar, 13:57, "Sam" <Jac...@m> wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I know Oyster PAYG is valid on London Overground services, but is it valid
> using London Midland services ?
>
> I am travelling this Sunday and intend to get London Midland trains as LO
> has engineering works between H&W and WJ.
>
> Cheers


Yes, Oyster PAYG is valid on London Midland trains from Watford
Junction to all stations south thereof. It's not surprising there is
some confusion about the matter as originally, back in November when
London Midland and London Overground took over Silverlink County and
Metro respectively, for the first week London Midland did not accept
Oyster PAYG on their trains north of Harrow & Wealdstone (Silverlink
had always accepted PAYG on the fast trains between Euston and H&W,
though I don't think many people realised this). After just a week
however they caved in and so now they do accept it.

Oyster PAYG is also valid on Southern trains from WJ as far as Clapham
Junction and at all intermediate stations.

As ever, always remember to touch-in and touch-out.

"Mizter T" <mizter.t@> wrote in message
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> On 5 Mar, 13:57, "Sam" <Jac...@m> wrote:

> Yes, Oyster PAYG is valid on London Midland trains from Watford
> Junction to all stations south thereof. It's not surprising there is
> some confusion about the matter as originally, back in November when
> London Midland and London Overground took over Silverlink County and
> Metro respectively, for the first week London Midland did not accept
> Oyster PAYG on their trains north of Harrow & Wealdstone (Silverlink
> had always accepted PAYG on the fast trains between Euston and H&W,
> though I don't think many people realised this). After just a week
> however they caved in and so now they do accept it.
>
> Oyster PAYG is also valid on Southern trains from WJ as far as Clapham
> Junction and at all intermediate stations.
>
> As ever, always remember to touch-in and touch-out.

What about on Virgin Trains?

On Mar 5, 7:55 pm, <hounsl....uk> wrote:
> "Mizter T" <mizte...@> wrote in message
>
> news:afc0a0fa-aaee-43e9-ac54-a8773226a240@d4g2000prg..com...
>
> > On 5 Mar, 13:57, "Sam" <Jac...@m> wrote:
> > Yes, Oyster PAYG is valid on London Midland trains from Watford
> > Junction to all stations south thereof. It's not surprising there is
> > some confusion about the matter as originally, back in November when
> > London Midland and London Overground took over Silverlink County and
> > Metro respectively, for the first week London Midland did not accept
> > Oyster PAYG on their trains north of Harrow & Wealdstone (Silverlink
> > had always accepted PAYG on the fast trains between Euston and H&W,
> > though I don't think many people realised this). After just a week
> > however they caved in and so now they do accept it.
>
> > Oyster PAYG is also valid on Southern trains from WJ as far as Clapham
> > Junction and at all intermediate stations.
>
> > As ever, always remember to touch-in and touch-out.
>
> What about on Virgin Trains?

Would they ever be more than set-down only, if they stopped there at
all? That would mean that there are no timetabled Virgin services
from Watford to Euston.

On 5 Mar, 14:35, Mizter T <mizte...@> wrote:
> On 5 Mar, 13:57, "Sam" <Jac...@m> wrote:
>
> > Hi All
>
> > I know Oyster PAYG is valid on London Overground services, but is it valid
> > using London Midland services ?
>
> > I am travelling this Sunday and intend to get London Midland trains as LO
> > has engineering works between H&W and WJ.
>
> > Cheers
>
> Yes, Oyster PAYG is valid on London Midland trains from Watford
> Junction to all stations south thereof. It's not surprising there is
> some confusion about the matter as originally, back in November when
> London Midland and London Overground took over Silverlink County and
> Metro respectively, for the first week London Midland did not accept
> Oyster PAYG on their trains north of Harrow & Wealdstone (Silverlink
> had always accepted PAYG on the fast trains between Euston and H&W,
> though I don't think many people realised this). After just a week
> however they caved in and so now they do accept it.
>
> Oyster PAYG is also valid on Southern trains from WJ as far as Clapham
> Junction and at all intermediate stations.
>
> As ever, always remember to touch-in and touch-out.

Trouble is you can't touch in on a train, so while you may have a
valid paper ticket from Watford to Euston, you can't use a Southern to
Clapham and only pay the zone 2 fare from Willesden to Clapham, you
have to buy a paper ticket from the ticket office. I guess they won't
sort that one out until national seasons are smart-ticketted.

On 5 Mar, 21:48, Paul Weaver <use...@isorox.co.uk> wrote:

> On 5 Mar, 14:35, Mizter T <mizte...@> wrote:
>
> > On 5 Mar, 13:57, "Sam" <Jac...@m> wrote:
>
> > > Hi All
>
> > > I know Oyster PAYG is valid on London Overground services, but is it valid
> > > using London Midland services ?
>
> > > I am travelling this Sunday and intend to get London Midland trains as LO
> > > has engineering works between H&W and WJ.
>
> > > Cheers
>
> > Yes, Oyster PAYG is valid on London Midland trains from Watford
> > Junction to all stations south thereof. It's not surprising there is
> > some confusion about the matter as originally, back in November when
> > London Midland and London Overground took over Silverlink County and
> > Metro respectively, for the first week London Midland did not accept
> > Oyster PAYG on their trains north of Harrow & Wealdstone (Silverlink
> > had always accepted PAYG on the fast trains between Euston and H&W,
> > though I don't think many people realised this). After just a week
> > however they caved in and so now they do accept it.
>
> > Oyster PAYG is also valid on Southern trains from WJ as far as Clapham
> > Junction and at all intermediate stations.
>
> > As ever, always remember to touch-in and touch-out.
>
> Trouble is you can't touch in on a train, so while you may have a
> valid paper ticket from Watford to Euston, you can't use a Southern to
> Clapham and only pay the zone 2 fare from Willesden to Clapham, you
> have to buy a paper ticket from the ticket office. I guess they won't
> sort that one out until national seasons are smart-ticketted.


Yeah, well, you can't have it all!

I'm trying to think what *paper ticket* you would be issued with if
you had a WJ - London season and wanted to use Southern to Clapham
Junction. To be honest I can't even remember whether a WJ - London
ticket is valid to Kensington Olympia, which is a hoary old question
that comes up time and time again here - I think the answer's no, the
problem being is that each time it does come up a wide variety of
differing opinion and reports of different rail staff saying different
things comes up!

If a WJ - London ticket is valid to Kensington Olympia, then it's a
straight point-to-point ticket from KO down to CJ that's needed.

If however a WJ - London ticket isn't valid to Kensington Olympia,
then I suppose a Willesden Junction to Clapham Junction ticket would
be issued - or would it?

My befuddlement is the reason why I have cross-posted this to
uk.railway, to see if someone wise than I could ever so kindly set me
straight.

On 5 Mar, 22:09, Mizter T <mizte...@> wrote:
> On 5 Mar, 21:48, Paul Weaver <use...@isorox.co.uk> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On 5 Mar, 14:35, Mizter T <mizte...@> wrote:
>
> > > On 5 Mar, 13:57, "Sam" <Jac...@m> wrote:
>
> > > > Hi All
>
> > > > I know Oyster PAYG is valid on London Overground services, but is it valid
> > > > using London Midland services ?
>
> > > > I am travelling this Sunday and intend to get London Midland trains as LO
> > > > has engineering works between H&W and WJ.
>
> > > > Cheers
>
> > > Yes, Oyster PAYG is valid on London Midland trains from Watford
> > > Junction to all stations south thereof. It's not surprising there is
> > > some confusion about the matter as originally, back in November when
> > > London Midland and London Overground took over Silverlink County and
> > > Metro respectively, for the first week London Midland did not accept
> > > Oyster PAYG on their trains north of Harrow & Wealdstone (Silverlink
> > > had always accepted PAYG on the fast trains between Euston and H&W,
> > > though I don't think many people realised this). After just a week
> > > however they caved in and so now they do accept it.
>
> > > Oyster PAYG is also valid on Southern trains from WJ as far as Clapham
> > > Junction and at all intermediate stations.
>
> > > As ever, always remember to touch-in and touch-out.
>
> > Trouble is you can't touch in on a train, so while you may have a
> > valid paper ticket from Watford to Euston, you can't use a Southern to
> > Clapham and only pay the zone 2 fare from Willesden to Clapham, you
> > have to buy a paper ticket from the ticket office. I guess they won't
> > sort that one out until national seasons are smart-ticketted.
>
> Yeah, well, you can't have it all!
>
> I'm trying to think what *paper ticket* you would be issued with if
> you had a WJ - London season and wanted to use Southern to Clapham
> Junction. To be honest I can't even remember whether a WJ - London
> ticket is valid to Kensington Olympia, which is a hoary old question
> that comes up time and time again here - I think the answer's no, the
> problem being is that each time it does come up a wide variety of
> differing opinion and reports of different rail staff saying different
> things comes up!
>
> If a WJ - London ticket is valid to Kensington Olympia, then it's a
> straight point-to-point ticket from KO down to CJ that's needed.
>
> If however a WJ - London ticket isn't valid to Kensington Olympia,
> then I suppose a Willesden Junction to Clapham Junction ticket would
> be issued - or would it?

It should be, Watford -> London is a map LM, which specifically shows
a route through Willesden.

Kenny O isn't a London Terminal, and hasn't been for nearly 15 years,
but Vauxhall is, and Clapham Junction is the routing point. I assume
that the fares manual states that tickets to London are only valid
from Watford to Euston.