Bias.

It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of
the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.
--
Clive.

On Jan 3, 5:02 pm, "Clive." <cl...@yewbank.> wrote:
> It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
> transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of
> the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.
> --
> Clive.

But the tube is not 'standard' PT in London, it is just part of a
system which also relies heavily on buses. And bus provision in
London is much better than most other places - doesn't that even
things up a bit?

On 4 Jan, 00:39, rosenst...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
> In article <E7zCvhIuURfHF...@yewbank.>,
>
> cl...@yewbank. (Clive.) wrote:
> > It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the
> > public transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot
> > make use of the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners
> > down there can.
>
> Blame the Government. They have made the silly rules on this free bus
> scheme.
>
> --
> Colin Rosenstiel

Are they really such silly rules? Would you let all English pensioners
use the railway network across England for example?

On Jan 3, 5:53 pm, Mizter T <mizte...@> wrote:
> On 3 Jan, 17:02, "Clive." <cl...@yewbank.> wrote:
>
> > It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the public
> > transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot make use of
> > the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners down there can.
> > --
> > Clive.

> Free local bus travel across England for those 60+ and yet you have a
> gripe!
....
LOROL!! I thought that was very funny as well... staring intently at a
gift horse's teeth!
It reminds me of the parable of the workers in the vineyards.

In message
<a51d9808-e6cd-40de-8ade-ecb9c232eeb8@h11g2000prf..com> of
Fri, 4 Jan 2008 02:32:03 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T
<mizter.t@> writes

[snip]

>Are they really such silly rules? Would you let all English pensioners
>use the railway network across England for example?

I believe pensioner train travel has been free in the Irish Republic for
some time. I do not know what the limitations of the scheme are.

I am uncomfortable with the traffic implications of free travel.
--
Walter Briscoe

In article
<a51d9808-e6cd-40de-8ade-ecb9c232eeb8@h11g2000prf..com>,
mizter.t@ (Mizter T) wrote:

> On 4 Jan, 00:39, rosenst...@cix.co.uk (Colin Rosenstiel) wrote:
> > In article <E7zCvhIuURfHF...@yewbank.>,
> >
> > cl...@yewbank. (Clive.) wrote:
> > > It is unfair that London pensioners should be able to use the
> > > public transport in other cities (buses) but non-Londoners cannot
> > > make use of the tube which is standard PT in London, as pensioners
> > > down there can.
> >
> > Blame the Government. They have made the silly rules on this free bus
> > scheme.
>
> Are they really such silly rules? Would you let all English pensioners
> use the railway network across England for example?

TBH, I wouldn't give free travel. It encourages wasteful journeys and
distorts modal splits. I would give discounts to reflect that they are
filling empty off-peak seats and better pensions so that pensioners can
make their own choices.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

Walter Briscoe wrote:
> In message
> <a51d9808-e6cd-40de-8ade-ecb9c232eeb8@h11g2000prf..com> of
> Fri, 4 Jan 2008 02:32:03 in uk.transport.london, Mizter T
> <mizter.t@> writes
>
> [snip]
>
>> Are they really such silly rules? Would you let all English pensioners
>> use the railway network across England for example?
>
> I believe pensioner train travel has been free in the Irish Republic for
> some time. I do not know what the limitations of the scheme are.

ICBW, but I seem to remember reading that the Republic of Ireland has a
significantly younger population than the UK - more yoofs and fewer
wrinklies than here. It might make a difference.

> I am uncomfortable with the traffic implications of free travel.

Paying lots for a ticket for a long trip, then having to give up the
seat to a miserable old git who is riding round in circles because it is
free. Shades of teenagers struggling to do school work in public
libraries full of half-mad old biddies shouting to each other.

--
Arthur "tolerance" Figgis