Claphan Junction Disused platform 1

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707011943520.4809@urchin.earth.li> ,
> twic@urchin.earth.li (Tom Anderson) wrote:
>
>> There is another option - if trains didn't visit Clapham Junction
>> at all, they could go from Imperial Wharf to Wandsworth Road
>> directly, without reversing. I don't have a track map to hand, but
>> ISTR that this can be done without conflicting movements across
>> other tracks.
>
> Misses out a rather important traffic objective, though.

Another option would be to maintain the status quo on the West London line
and to continue Orbirail on from Willesden Junction to South Acton, thence
via South Acton Junction and Kew Junctions to join the Brentford loop,
running through Barnes and Putney to Clapham Junction and on via Wandsworth
Road, creating a true orbital service. Gunnersbury to Richmond could then be
turned over entirely to District Line operation.

Jack Taylor wrote:
> Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
>> In article <Pine.LNX.4.64.0707011943520.4809@urchin.earth.li> ,
>> twic@urchin.earth.li (Tom Anderson) wrote:
>>
>>> There is another option - if trains didn't visit Clapham Junction
>>> at all, they could go from Imperial Wharf to Wandsworth Road
>>> directly, without reversing. I don't have a track map to hand, but
>>> ISTR that this can be done without conflicting movements across
>>> other tracks.
>>
>> Misses out a rather important traffic objective, though.
>
> Another option would be to maintain the status quo on the West London
> line and to continue Orbirail on from Willesden Junction to South
> Acton, thence via South Acton Junction and Kew Junctions to join the
> Brentford loop, running through Barnes and Putney to Clapham Junction
> and on via Wandsworth Road, creating a true orbital service.
> Gunnersbury to Richmond could then be turned over entirely to
> District Line operation.

So how would a passenger get from Brondesbury Park to Kew Gardens?

The other option is to turn Clapham Junction into a local station and build
a replacement interchange at Queenstown Road station, which could also have
platforms on the Victoria-Kent lines and on the Wandsworth Road - Olympia
line. I think that would give a lot of curvy and possibly sloping platforms
though.

John Rowland wrote:
>
> So how would a passenger get from Brondesbury Park to Kew Gardens?

Tough! ;-) Go to Chiswick and walk. How would you currently get from
Brondesbury Park to Chiswick?

No pain, no gain. Sadly, for every improvement in functionality there is
going to be some loss, whatever the solution.

On Jul 1, 3:08 pm, Paul Corfield <aoo...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
> It may be but my point is that circular services can run properly if you
> get non conflicting junctions and adequate signalling capacity. This is
> what Berlin has got on its S Bahn and the service runs fine. The LU
> proposals are an attempt to create reliability without the huge
> construction costs of removing conflicting junctions of which there are
> many on the Circle / District line.

There are six that affect the Circle directly - Praed Street, Baker
Street, Aldgate, Minories, Gloucester Road and HSK. Aldgate East also
affects the Circle, but not as directly.

In message <1183325398.160413.134490@n2g2000hse.. com>,
brixtonite <orange_sellerm> writes

>I would expect the SLL service from London Victoria to be replaced by
>the ELL service to clapham junction. I think the Victoria - Denmark
>Hill - Lewisham service does share tracks with this in one direction
>through Denmark Hill, but it needn't.

Wouldn't that leave Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street without any
service to Central London? As I recall, there are no platforms on the
"Chatham" pair of tracks, only on the SLL pair.
--
Paul Terry

asdf wrote:
>
> Although it may seem like just the replacement of one arbitrary set of
> journey opportunities with another, people organise their lives (e.g.
> locations of home/work) around the available transport services, and
> it isn't entirely fair to just pull the rug out from under them.

One could argue exactly the same point about the reorganisation of
Circle/H&C services, for example.

I was simply providing a *suggestion* as to how a non-reversing Orbirail
service could be provided using the existing infrastructure - hence the ;-)
emoticon.

On Jul 2, 9:57 am, Paul Terry <nos...@musonix.> wrote:
> In message <1183325398.160413.134...@n2g2000hse.. com>,
> brixtonite <orange_sel...m> writes
>
> >I would expect the SLL service from London Victoria to be replaced by
> >the ELL service to clapham junction. I think the Victoria - Denmark
> >Hill - Lewisham service does share tracks with this in one direction
> >through Denmark Hill, but it needn't.
>
> Wouldn't that leave Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street without any
> service to Central London? As I recall, there are no platforms on the
> "Chatham" pair of tracks, only on the SLL pair.
> --
> Paul Terry



That's true.

At the moment, Victoria to Lewisham services usually cross to the SLL
side between Wandsworth Road and Clapham High Street, and then cross
back again between Denmark Hill and Peckham Rye.

In the other direction they usually cross to the SLL after Peckham Rye
and then it's about 50 : 50 whether they stay on that side through
Wandsworth Road and go the wiggly way, or cross to the "Chatham"
tracks after Clapham High Street and follow the main viaduct.

So you could maintain a service from Clapham High Street to Victoria
by putting stops in the Lewisham Services, but Wandsworth Road would
be left out, at least in one direction.

I don't understand the need for all the crossing, but maybe it's to
avoid the trains that feed into the "Chatham" tracks at Brixton.

In message <fsuh839vbf9mdct0lkcjt87ngn2a064u3j@>, asdf
<invalid@invalid.invalid> writes

>Clapham High Street is an interchange with Clapham North, which has a
>Northern Line service to central London.

It wouldn't be much of replacement for the direct link between Clapham
High Street and Victoria, though.
--
Paul Terry

On Jul 2, 4:53 pm, John B <s...@johnband.org> wrote:
> On 2 Jul, 15:00, Paul Terry <nos...@musonix.> wrote:
>
> > >Clapham High Street is an interchange with Clapham North, which has a
> > >Northern Line service to central London.
>
> > It wouldn't be much of replacement for the direct link between Clapham
> > High Street and Victoria, though.
>
> The best and quickest way (given train frequencies) to get from
> Clapham High Street to Victoria at present is walk -> Clapham North ->
> cross-platform change at Stockwell -> Victoria.
>
> The same would be true if the SLL services were all converted to
> London Overground, obviously...




I think the biggest change would be the loss of a route from Battersea
Park, but even that could be replaced by changing at Clapham Junction.

For example, I sometimes need to get from the South West to Denmark
Hill.

I currently change at Queenstown Road/Battersea Park, but in future I
would change at Clapham Junction instead.

I wonder if the future frequency on the SLL would rule out some
SouthEastern services calling at Clapham High Street, Wandsworth Road
and Battersea Park?