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26th June 2007, 03:58 PM

Brimstone wrote:
> "NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
> news:V6egi.120$fi4.33@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>> Brimstone wrote:
>>
>>> Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.
>>
>>
>> Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?
>
> It's provided automatically, without application.
>
>
In your mind perhaps, dream on, don't let reality get in the way.

26th June 2007, 03:59 PM

drbching@m wrote:
>>> Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.
>> Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?
>
> Go sniff the hard shoulder because that's about as much as your taxes
> run to.
>
>
Utter .

26th June 2007, 04:02 PM

"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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> Brimstone wrote:
>> "NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:V6egi.120$fi4.33@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>
>>>> Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.
>>>
>>>
>>> Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?
>>
>> It's provided automatically, without application.
> In your mind perhaps, dream on, don't let reality get in the way.

You've obviously forgotton about the rate of VED on lorries when the present
government came into power and what it is now?

26th June 2007, 04:15 PM

Brimstone wrote:
> "NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
> news:Cdegi.123$fi4.104@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>> Brimstone wrote:
>>> "NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
>>> news:V6egi.120$fi4.33@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.
>>>>
>>>> Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?
>>> It's provided automatically, without application.
>> In your mind perhaps, dream on, don't let reality get in the way.
>
> You've obviously forgotton about the rate of VED on lorries when the present
> government came into power and what it is now?
>
>
No I havn't, I just realise thet the total amount collected by ved and
fuel tax is more than three times the amount spent on the roads. If my
truck is being subsidised where are the funds coming from, because it
isn't central government?

26th June 2007, 04:44 PM

"Neil Williams" <wensleydale@pacersplace.org.uk> wrote in message
news:46817403.192669484@news....
> On Tue, 26 Jun 2007 18:11:44 +0100, "Brimstone"
> <brimstone@m> wrote:
>
>>> So how would you see urban deliveries? A rail head at every
>>> supermarket and high street perhaps?
>>
>>Why not?
>
> Completely unrealistic.

Why?

> However, there may be some mileage in using a
> larger number of smaller vehicles for local distribution, be that from
> rail or road.

Quite.

26th June 2007, 04:45 PM

"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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> Brimstone wrote:
>> "NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
>> news:Cdegi.123$fi4.104@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>> "NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:V6egi.120$fi4.33@newsfe7-win.ntli.net...
>>>>> Brimstone wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Railborne freight receives no subsidy, unlike lorries.
>>>>>
>>>>> Where exactly do I apply for my lorry subsidy?
>>>> It's provided automatically, without application.
>>> In your mind perhaps, dream on, don't let reality get in the way.
>>
>> You've obviously forgotton about the rate of VED on lorries when the
>> present government came into power and what it is now?
> No I havn't, I just realise thet the total amount collected by ved and
> fuel tax is more than three times the amount spent on the roads.

Which fluctuates according to the number of vehicle in use on the road and
may go down as well as up. Until late 2006 Fuel Duty had not been increased
for about three years thus giving a reduction.

> If my truck is being subsidised where are the funds coming from, because
> it isn't central government?

Evidence?

26th June 2007, 05:16 PM

>
> > ... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond
> > anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it.
>
> Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually
> spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system
> second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits
> like the national trainset.
>

Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like
including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV
generated taxes.

I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road
fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on
accommodating HGVs.

26th June 2007, 05:25 PM

allan tracy wrote:
>>> ... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond
>>> anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it.
>> Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually
>> spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system
>> second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits
>> like the national trainset.
>>
>
> Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like
> including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV
> generated taxes.
>
> I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road
> fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on
> accommodating HGVs.
>
at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's the other
way around.

26th June 2007, 05:29 PM

"NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
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> allan tracy wrote:
>>>> ... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond
>>>> anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it.
>>> Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually
>>> spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system
>>> second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits
>>> like the national trainset.
>>>
>>
>> Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like
>> including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV
>> generated taxes.
>>
>> I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road
>> fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on
>> accommodating HGVs.
>>
> at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's the other way
> around.

Evidence?

Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it was reduced a
few years ago you may recall.

26th June 2007, 05:33 PM

Brimstone wrote:
> "NM" <never.opened@all.com> wrote in message
> news:Gvfgi.4604$RD3.1381@newsfe1-gui.ntli.net...
>> allan tracy wrote:
>>>>> ... maybe a complete highway network provided at a cost way beyond
>>>>> anything HGV taxes run to has something to do with it.
>>>> Utter bollox. I await the day all the road generated taxes are actually
>>>> spent on the road network, if this ever occured we would have a system
>>>> second to none, instead the surplus is frittered away on bottomless pits
>>>> like the national trainset.
>>>>
>>> Ahh... naughty naughty do I detect a little sleight of hand here like
>>> including all road generated taxes when we're only discussing HGV
>>> generated taxes.
>>>
>>> I own a car and nowhere does it explain that my petrol duty or road
>>> fund licence is to be set at a level that can then provide spending on
>>> accommodating HGVs.
>>>
>> at 8 mpg and heavy ved there is no subsidy, if anything it's the other way
>> around.
>
> Evidence?
>
> Please don't simply state the anount of VED a lorry pays, it was reduced a
> few years ago you may recall.
>
>
Back of a packet calculations show annual tax take from HGV's about
10 billion pounds (VED + Fuel tax) expenditure on UK road system is ???