Stagecoach win East Midlands franchise

In uk.railway Neil Williams <pacer142@> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 9:18 am, Paul Corfield <aoo...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>> * The Community Rail service between Matlock and Derby will be increased
>> to every hour and extended directly to Nottingham.
>
> Wonder how long that is guaranteed for if it becomes a big cash-
> waster?

At a guess the Derby-Nottingham leg will subsidise the Matlock-Derby
end...

pete
--
pete@fenelon.com "how many clever men have called the sun a fool?"

W14_Fishbourne wrote:
>
> On another topic entirely, this announcement means that National
> Express - once the biggest owner of TOCs is now down to one railway
> and c2c. (I expect these two TOCs to be merged, making the name "one"
> strangely prophetic!)

Do you mean that you expect the DfT to merge the franchises (in which case,
why wasn't LTS included in Greater Anglia in the first place?) or that you
expect NatEx to market them as a 'common' entity (as with Virgin Trains as
the trading name for both Virgin West Coast and Virgin CrossCountry)? In the
latter case the TOCs cannot be merged as they are required to be accounted
for independently, in line with the franchises, although a common branding
can be applied.

Great Eastern wrote:
> Jack Taylor wrote:
>> Do you mean that you expect the DfT to merge the franchises (in which
>> case, why wasn't LTS included in Greater Anglia in the first place?)
>
> The idea is once the current c2c franchise expires, that it gets merged
> into the Greater Anglia setup.
>
> They both expire in 2011, at which point (assuming they have done well)
> NX can get a 3 year extension to One, which is likely to include c2c


Forgot to add, c2c and One Railway already share certain departments
(Accounts/Payroll and Customer Services for c2c are done by One)

I suppose it wasnt included to begin with as there was no guarantee that
NX would get Greater Anglia, and c2c didn't expire the same time as
FGE/AR/WAGN

On Jun 22, 11:06 am, John B <s...@johnband.org> wrote:
> On 22 Jun, 09:37, W14_Fishbourne <w14_fishbou...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>
>
> Did someone say "Bowker effect"?
>
> --
To be fair, NX was losing TOCs well before Bowker turned up (Scotrail,
Wales). He's simply been unable to stop the losses.

On 22 Jun, 10:25, Pete Fenelon <p...@stratos.fenelon.com> wrote:
> In uk.railway Neil Williams <pacer...@> wrote:
>
> > On Jun 22, 9:18 am, Paul Corfield <aoo...@dsl.pipex.com> wrote:
>
> >> * The Community Rail service between Matlock and Derby will be increased
> >> to every hour and extended directly to Nottingham.
>
> > Wonder how long that is guaranteed for if it becomes a big cash-
> > waster?
>
> At a guess the Derby-Nottingham leg will subsidise the Matlock-Derby
> end...
>
> pete
> --
> p...@fenelon.com "how many clever men have called the sun a fool?"

The DfT have been promising to reinstate the third Nottingham - Derby
train each hour that Central (under instruction) chopped when the
Skegness - Crewe service was split for quite a while now. I'm just a
little surprised they've decided to do it this way rather than extend
the Crewe trains back to Nottingham, although I'm sure the Matlock
line users group will be delighted to get a regular hourly service
again rather than the current irregular shuttle from Derby.

GM

In article <7S6l6$z7Q5eGFA1k@perry.co.uk>, roland@perry.co.uk (Roland
Perry) wrote:

> >* 50% of the price paid for a single-leg journey delayed by
> >between 30 and 59 minutes;
> >
> >* 100% of the price paid for a single-leg journey delayed by
> >between 60 and 119 minutes; and
> >
> >* 100% of the price paid for a return journey delayed by more than
> >119 minutes.
>
> So you can "tot up" the delays on a return trip, presumably.

I had two claims on a return trip from Cambridge to Manchester once, both
for over an hour's delay in the days when you got nothing for delays up
to 59 minutes.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

In article <VDb+uL1+T5eGFAQM@perry.co.uk>, roland@perry.co.uk (Roland
Perry) wrote:

> In message <1182501445.728285.112970@o61g2000hsh. .com>,
> at 01:37:25 on Fri, 22 Jun 2007, W14_Fishbourne
> <w14_fishbourne@ntlworld.com> remarked:
> >I think you'll still see very low bargain fares available - it's
> >mainly the off-peak walk-up fares that'll be affected.
>
> So Saver fares aren't regulated? Is it just the CDRs which are.

I thought Saver Fares were regulated. Cheap day returns aren't, judging
by SWT.

--
Colin Rosenstiel

On 22 Jun, 11:06, John B <s...@johnband.org> wrote:
> Did someone say "Bowker effect"?

>From nationalexpressgroup.com

"NX East Midlands Rail Franchise response

22/06/2007


National Express Group PLC ('the Group') notes today's announcement
from the Department for Transport ('DfT') advising on the award of the
East Midlands rail franchise.

Commenting on the announcement, Richard Bowker, Chief Executive, said:
'We are very disappointed with today's announcement. We look forward
to the DfT explaining the reasons for their decision.

'I would like to take this opportunity to thank all our employees at
Midland Mainline and Central Trains. Midland Mainline's record of
constant improvement has resulted in the company being top of industry
league tables for operational performance as well as customer
satisfaction, a record of which we are truly proud.

'The team at Central Trains have shown what can be achieved in a
difficult franchise with the right people and the right focus.'



He should perhaps have added "and much good has it done them".

--
gordon

On 22 Jun, 09:20, Chris Tolley <c...@supanet.com> wrote:
> Once again, we see the magic of the franchise bidding system at work.
> Promise a huge premium to win the bid, then get the customers to foot
> the bill for it.

Presumably it will also give the competition authority wallahs an
excuse to justify their existence by proclaiming a need to look at the
implications of Stagey's local bus services and Megabus operations
within the area of the franchise. Unlikely to change very much but the
process will no doubt consume even more money from the taxpayers.

--
gordon

In message <1182524932.936624.270140@n2g2000hse.. com>, at
08:08:52 on Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Ross-a-travelling <rossh1@>
remarked:
>1. The premium profile for the East Midlands franchise is:
>Mar-08 35,651,000*
>Mar-09 64,291,000
>Mar-10 36,461,000
>Mar-11 424,000
>Mar-12 (43,842,000)
>Mar-13 (77,355,000)
>Mar-14 (98,315,000)
>Mar-15 (154,978,000)

Huge increases in the later years. GNER all over again :(

If revenues (ie turnover) is £235M per annum [1], then by 2015 they are
expecting a collosol percentage profit margin.

[1] It's not clear if that's an average, 2007 figure or what. But even
if it's 2007 and increasing linearly 10% per annum, that's only £423M by
2015, implying a profit margin of 23%
--
Roland Perry