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Old 19th June 2007, 12:25 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Central Line is a line of the London Underground and coloured red on the
tube map. It is the second busiest line on the Underground after the
Northern with 183,512,000 passengers per annum. It is a deep-level "tube"
line, running east-west across London, and has the greatest total length of
track on the Underground (but is not the longest continuous line)

Just read the above on Wikipedia....what is the longest continuous line it
is referring to?

Thanks.


 
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Old 19th June 2007, 01:30 PM   #2 (permalink)
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On Jun 19, 5:25 pm, <craig.richm...@virgin.net> wrote:
> The Central Line is a line of the London Underground and coloured red on the
> tube map. It is the second busiest line on the Underground after the
> Northern with 183,512,000 passengers per annum. It is a deep-level "tube"
> line, running east-west across London, and has the greatest total length of
> track on the Underground (but is not the longest continuous line)
>
> Just read the above on Wikipedia....what is the longest continuous line it
> is referring to?
>
> Thanks.




It's a strange imprecise term to use. In fact, the whole thing is
really, because "lines" are not really all that separate.

It also seems to be the wrong way round. The Central Line is longest
end to end (Epping to West Ruislip), but I would have thought other
lines had more track mileage.

 
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Old 19th June 2007, 03:24 PM   #3 (permalink)
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On Jun 19, 7:45 pm, "tim....." <tims_new_h....uk> wrote:
> "Mr Thant" <maha.thray.sithu.u.th...@> wrote in message
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> news:1182278451.621712.107570@p77g2000hsh. o...
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> > On Jun 19, 7:15 pm, <craig.richm...@virgin.net> wrote:
> >> It seems to imply there is another line

>
> >> "(but is not the longest continuous line)"

>
> > It was added by an anonymous user last August, so it's probably
> > bollocks. West Ruislip-Epping is definitely the longest end-to-end
> > journey, because no other line goes so far out at both ends. Add on
> > the Hainault Loop (2/3rds the length of the entire Victoria Line), and
> > nothing can touch it route mileage wise either.

>
> > So it's the longest by any metric.

>
> Perhaps they are thinking that the circle is longer.




Only in the sense that it's infinite ... but otherwise very short.

Aha, I've found a reference (dated 1987)

Circle, Hammersmith and Metropolitan 51 (of which the Circle is
13)

East London 4

District 40

Northern 36

Central 52

Bakerloo 14

Piccadilly 43.5

Victoria 14

Jubilee (only to Charing Cross in those days) 14

 
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Old 19th June 2007, 06:19 PM   #4 (permalink)
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On 19 Jun, 17:25, <craig.richm...@virgin.net> wrote:

> It is the second busiest line on the Underground after the
> Northern with 183,512,000 passengers per annum.


Also, it would be better to say "with 183,512,000 passenger journeys
per annum". The wording used seems to imply that the number of people
who use the line at least once in a year is approximately three times
the entire population of the UK!

Steve Adams

 
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Old 19th June 2007, 10:57 PM   #5 (permalink)
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On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:40:51 -0700, Mr Thant
<maha.thray.sithu.u.thant@> wrote:

>On Jun 19, 7:15 pm, <craig.richm...@virgin.net> wrote:
>> It seems to imply there is another line
>>
>> "(but is not the longest continuous line)"

>
>It was added by an anonymous user last August, so it's probably
>bollocks.


Quite.

I just took the parenthetical remark out, with an edit summary of
"What? West Ruislip to Epping is the longest single journey on LUL by
track mileage."
 
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Old 20th June 2007, 01:55 AM   #6 (permalink)
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On Jun 20, 3:57 am, James Farrar <james.s.far...@> wrote:
> On Tue, 19 Jun 2007 11:40:51 -0700, Mr Thant
>
> <maha.thray.sithu.u.th...@> wrote:
> >On Jun 19, 7:15 pm, <craig.richm...@virgin.net> wrote:
> >> It seems to imply there is another line

>
> >> "(but is not the longest continuous line)"

>
> >It was added by an anonymous user last August, so it's probably
> >bollocks.

>
> Quite.
>
> I just took the parenthetical remark out, with an edit summary of
> "What? West Ruislip to Epping is the longest single journey on LUL by
> track mileage."




I'm sure Epping to West Ruislip must be slightly longer ...

 
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Old 20th June 2007, 08:35 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I suppose the longest journey that is theoretically possible would be
Chesham to Upminster, not including the circle line.

 
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Old 20th June 2007, 12:36 PM   #8 (permalink)
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"asdf" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 05:35:23 -0700, sweek wrote:
>
>>I suppose the longest journey that is theoretically possible would be
>>Chesham to Upminster, not including the circle line.

>
> Assuming no reversals or repetition of any stretch of route, I'll
> venture Chesham to Uxbridge (via Baker Street, Liverpool Street, Tower
> Hill, and Ealing Common) as being longer.


Surley these routes do not count because they involve changing lines?


 
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Old 21st June 2007, 05:22 AM   #9 (permalink)
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"asdf" <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 20 Jun 2007 23:17:40 +0100, Tom Anderson wrote:
>
>>>>>> I suppose the longest journey that is theoretically possible
>>>>>> would be Chesham to Upminster, not including the circle line.
>>>>>
>>>>> Assuming no reversals or repetition of any stretch of route, I'll
>>>>> venture Chesham to Uxbridge (via Baker Street, Liverpool Street,
>>>>> Tower Hill, and Ealing Common) as being longer.
>>>>
>>>> Surley these routes do not count because they involve changing
>>>> lines?
>>>
>>> The 'line' names designated by LUL are not indicative
>>> of whether the actual tracks are (or are not) connected.

>>
>> But the original question was about the longest 'line', so this is
>> in fact germane.

>
> But this wasn't an attempt to answer the original question. It was a
> digression onto the subject of what might be the longest journey
> theoretically possible.


Furthermore, LU occasionally changes the definition of a 'Line', so some
of the fantasy journeys invented in this thread could, in theory, become
possible on a single future line. For example, some of today's
Piccadilly Line was originally part of the (Metropolitan) District Line,
and the Circle + Hammersmith & City lines are due for a shakeup in a few
years time.


 
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On 21 Jun, 10:49, John B <s...@johnband.org> wrote:
> On 21 Jun, 10:22, "Recliner" <nig...@clara.co_dot_uk> wrote:
>
> > Furthermore, LU occasionally changes the definition of a 'Line', so some
> > of the fantasy journeys invented in this thread could, in theory, become
> > possible on a single future line. For example, some of today's
> > Piccadilly Line was originally part of the (Metropolitan) District Line,
> > and the Circle + Hammersmith & City lines are due for a shakeup in a few
> > years time.

>
> Indeed, Amersham to Barking could be a regular reality when the
> service patterns change...


Chesham to Upminster is the longest trip a train could physically take
without reversing or going in circles AFAIK.

B2003


 
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