St Pancras Thameslink Platforms (Midland Rd)

On Jun 11, 7:14 pm, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:

> No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the
> platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right.
> Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or
> straight ahead.


In which case we shall have to defer judgement on St.Pancras Whatever-
They-Call-It until it is finally open and complete - because it may be
intuitive once we have the final solution.

Hard to see from today I agree, but you never know, it might be.

--
Nick

In message <1181594647.729165.163930@m36g2000hse. .com>, at
13:44:07 on Mon, 11 Jun 2007, D7666 <d7666@m> remarked:
>> No, you can stand at the entrance to the concourse and see all the
>> platforms at once, and they are numbers intuitively from left to right.
>> Heading for any of them is simply a case of going a bit left, right or
>> straight ahead.
>
>In which case we shall have to defer judgement on St.Pancras Whatever-
>They-Call-It until it is finally open and complete - because it may be
>intuitive once we have the final solution.
>
>Hard to see from today I agree, but you never know, it might be.

No, the plans are available, and we have experience of the location of
both the MML and Kent (was temporary MML) platforms. The entrance to the
E* departures will be in the middle of the Barlow Shed, and the entrance
to the Thameslink platforms is on the country side of the currently
closed Midland Road exit, at the side of the domestic ticket office.

All four "sections" are quite disjoint, and the only way from one set of
platforms to the other is via the somewhat maze-like ground level
concourse.

I don't believe there's even (for example) a lift from the MML platforms
directly down to the FCC platforms; nor as the original questioner was
asking is there an extra "secret passage" between the FCC platforms and
either of the LUL ticket halls.
--
Roland Perry

Paul Scott wrote:
> "Sky Rider" <sky.rider1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:avebi.378$Yc4.113@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>> On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above) be
>> called St Pancras International.
>
> Thats why I put (Midland Rd) in brackets...
>
> Paul
>
>
And I pointed out the new name because you typed 'St Pancras
/Thameslink/' before '(Midland Rd)'.

"Sky Rider" <sky.rider1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> Paul Scott wrote:
>> "Sky Rider" <sky.rider1@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>> news:avebi.378$Yc4.113@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
>>> On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above)
>>> be called St Pancras International.
>>
>> Thats why I put (Midland Rd) in brackets...
>>
>> Paul
> And I pointed out the new name because you typed 'St Pancras /Thameslink/'
> before '(Midland Rd)'.

Ah - perhaps I should have put St Pancras (Thameslink platforms), which is
what I was thinking!!

Paul

In message <1181642634.986300.24760@a26g2000pre.. com>, at
03:03:54 on Tue, 12 Jun 2007, pjcs00@ remarked:
>Would Edinburgh Waverley qualify? From any of (a) the east-departing
>bay platforms, (b) the west-departing bay platforms and (c) the
>'suburban' platforms (numbers 8 and 9) you can't see any of the other
>sets.

Looking at the plan, I don't think it's any more separate stations than
(say) Reading. Maybe I need to express it better. St Pancras has
separate sets of escalators between any two of the four "separate
stations", and a quite distinct concourse and gateline for each. London
Bridge has a walkway between the set of through lines and the terminus
concourse, with quite separate gateline. Manchester Picc has a long
corridor and stairs between the main concourse and the through
platforms, again with one gateline for the terminating platforms and
another for the through platforms (at the far end).
--
Roland Perry

On Jun 11, 9:29 pm, Roland Perry <rol...@perry.co.uk> wrote:

> Yes, but the entrance to platforms 9-11 are in a different building to
> the main shed. I agree it's borderline, but from the buffers of each set
> of platforms you are unaware where the others are (if you were a
> complete stranger).

Muenchen Hbf and Manchester Picc both have sets of platforms that
could be considered a separate station. The former in particular is
laid out very much like KX - indeed I believe they were once a
separate station in Muenchen's case.

Neil

On Jun 12, 12:45 pm, Neil Williams <pacer...@> wrote:

> Muenchen Hbf


It was in fact München Hbf I was thinking of in relation to SPI (as I
shall now call St Pancras International) as the overall footprint is
similar - a deeper train shed in the centre with two wings one on each
side.

In fact there are more parallels as one could consider the S-bahn tief
Bf platforms as equivalent to the Thameslink route, and the U-bahn as
equivalent to LU lines - and both U-bahn and LU have diverse entrances
and underground passages.

München Hbf is a location I know well having had several weeks in each
year in late 80s / early 90s commuting through the place in several
different permutations depending on which hotel was based at. I would
estimate some of the inter-line walks are further than those that will
exist at SPI when it is complete.

Mind you, I suspect München Hbf will always be better signed.

--
Nick

On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 10:25:46 -0700, D7666 <d7666@m> wrote:

>On Jun 12, 12:45 pm, Neil Williams <pacer...@> wrote:
>
>> Muenchen Hbf
>
>
>It was in fact München Hbf I was thinking of in relation to SPI (as I
>shall now call St Pancras International) as the overall footprint is
>similar - a deeper train shed in the centre with two wings one on each
>side.

IIRC, Muenchen Hbf was originally 3 separate stations. Certainly one
wing is still known as the Holzkirchner bahnhof.

Another station with the same layout is Budapest Keleti Palyaudvar, as
I discovered when trying to change from a late running arrival to an
on-time starter there once. That cost me a serious on-train
supplement, and the conductor claimed not to speak English or German,
so I couldn't even argue with him about it!

--
mikedotroebuckatgmxdotnet
posted from Cheb (Eger), CZ

"Roland Perry" <roland@perry.co.uk> wrote in message
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> In message <avebi.378$Yc4.113@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net>, at 16:11:50 on Mon,
> 11 Jun 2007, Sky Rider <sky.rider1@ntlworld.com> remarked:
> >On a side note the new Thameslink station will (like the station above)
> >be called St Pancras International.
>
> Will there be any other station in the UK with four distinct sets of
> platforms (not counting LUL platforms)?
>
> Waterloo perhaps has three: Main concourse, East (or is that different
> station altogether) and Eurostar (even post E* they might be entered
> separately). Manchester Piccadilly has two, as does London Bridge; any
> other offers for three or more?

Four for Stratford? The NLL platforms (for the time being), the Electric
Lines (with cross-platform interchange to the Central Line, the Main Line
platforms 9, 10, 10a, and the Lea Valley platform(s). And it has,
separately, Central Line, Jubilee Line, and DLR platforms.

peter