Fantasy bus routes

"E. Zackatackali" <zackatackali@m> wrote in message news:<38hj4fF5mrrddU1@>...
> If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would you do?

93 - send it all round Lower Morden
293 - send it direct along the A24 into Morden, extend it to St
George's Hospital, and increase the frequency from 3bph to 4bph
470 - cut it back to Morden

N77 - extend it along the 406 route to Epsom

68 - extend it to King's Cross Station

77A - renumber it - I don't care what to, but it bears so little
resemblance to the plain 77

RV1 - run it with those fake heritage tram ye olde stylee buses you
find in foreign cities to amuse the tourists

James

E. Zackatackali wrote:
>
> If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would you do?
>
> There would be four changes I would make:

(snip)
>
> 3. 197 - Norwood Junction - East Croydon. I can't see the point of such a
> short route. I'd extend this to Thornton Heath.

(snip)

The point, I suppose, is to provide a service for the Morland Road and
Woodside Green areas. Just out of interest, what route would it take to
Thornton Heath? Even if it was made into a single-decker service, to get
under the railway bridge at Portland Road, it would have to take a
roundabout route to reach Thornton Heath.

--
John Ray

Ian Jelf <ian@bluebadge.> wrote:
> <jad29@le.ac.uk> writes

> >RV1 - run it with those fake heritage tram ye olde stylee buses you
> >find in foreign cities to amuse the tourists
>
> How about using RMs on it instead?

How about using RMs on busy routes instead???

As for the RV1, I think the existing buses are as good as anything else
at the moment, but in the future they should consider options such as
battery electric buses.

John Ray wrote:
> E. Zackatackali wrote:
>>
>> If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would you
>> do?
>>
>> There would be four changes I would make:
>
> (snip)
>>
>> 3. 197 - Norwood Junction - East Croydon. I can't see the point of
>> such a short route. I'd extend this to Thornton Heath.
>
> (snip)
>
> The point, I suppose, is to provide a service for the Morland Road and
> Woodside Green areas. Just out of interest, what route would it take
> to Thornton Heath? Even if it was made into a single-decker service,
> to get under the railway bridge at Portland Road, it would have to
> take a roundabout route to reach Thornton Heath.

It would be extended from East Croydon via George Street, Wellesley Road,
Poplar Walk and London Road to Thornton Heath Pond.

EZ

James wrote:
> "E. Zackatackali" <zackatackali@m> wrote in message news:<38hj4fF5mrrddU1@>...
>
>>If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would you do?
>
>
> N77 - extend it along the 406 route to Epsom
>

Eeeek. No thanks! The N77 is unreliable enough as it is, and at weekends
it can take a few buses before you can actually squeeze onto one!

Steve

E. Zackatackali wrote:
>
> It would be extended from East Croydon via George Street, Wellesley Road,
> Poplar Walk and London Road to Thornton Heath Pond.

Ah. When you said you would "extend" it, I thought you meant that it
would continue on from Norwood Junction to Thornton Heath. What you are
now describing is a diversion, i.e. it will no longer call at Norwood
Junction.

--
John Ray

E. Zackatackali wrote:
> If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would you
do?

Duplicate the busiest section of the 3 (i.e. Brixton southwards) with a
new route numbered 433, if that's not already taken, in the same
fashion as the 2/432 - probably terminating at Anerley Station. It
always seems unfair when waiting at Brixton that Streatham gets about
1000000000 bus routes, West Norwood gets a handful and Herne Hill/West
Dulwich get 1.5, both of which are smelly, overcrowded and operated by
amateurs...

Also, re-join the two halves of the 63 (ie 63 and 363), with some short
workings Crystal Palace - E&C and Kings X - Blackfriars (as discussed
elsewhere!) if necessary.

John Ray wrote:
> E. Zackatackali wrote:
>>
>> It would be extended from East Croydon via George Street, Wellesley
>> Road, Poplar Walk and London Road to Thornton Heath Pond.
>
> Ah. When you said you would "extend" it, I thought you meant that it
> would continue on from Norwood Junction to Thornton Heath. What you
> are now describing is a diversion, i.e. it will no longer call at
> Norwood Junction.

No - it would start at Norwood Junction, carry on down Morland Road to East
Croydon then proceed along the route I have just described from East Croydon
to TH.

EZ

Rupert Candy wrote:
> E. Zackatackali wrote:
>> If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would you
>> do?
>
> Duplicate the busiest section of the 3 (i.e. Brixton southwards) with
> a new route numbered 433, if that's not already taken, in the same
> fashion as the 2/432 - probably terminating at Anerley Station.

This would mean truncating the 3 at Herne Hill. No point in having a
needless duplicate when you can double the frequency on a route instead.

> It always seems unfair when waiting at Brixton that Streatham gets about
> 1000000000 bus routes, West Norwood gets a handful and Herne Hill/West
> Dulwich get 1.5, both of which are smelly, overcrowded and operated by
> amateurs...

I think the only other sections of road that seem to have a higher number of
routes than the A23 Brixton-Streatham must be the A215 Walworth Road or
Oxford Street.

> Also, re-join the two halves of the 63 (ie 63 and 363), with some
> short workings Crystal Palace - E&C and Kings X - Blackfriars (as
> discussed elsewhere!) if necessary.

No - I think the split is a good thing. Shorter journeys mean more reliable
journeys.

EZ

E. Zackatackali wrote:
> Rupert Candy wrote:
> > E. Zackatackali wrote:
> >> If you had the power to add/change/remove bus routes, what would
you
> >> do?
> >
> > Duplicate the busiest section of the 3 (i.e. Brixton southwards)
with
> > a new route numbered 433, if that's not already taken, in the same
> > fashion as the 2/432 - probably terminating at Anerley Station.
>
> This would mean truncating the 3 at Herne Hill. No point in having a
> needless duplicate when you can double the frequency on a route
instead.

Ah, but I was being selfish and suggesting keeping the 3 running all
the way to CP, thus giving West Dulwich a double frequency (with one of
the routes not being affected by Central London snarl-ups, which cause
massive variations in frequency on the 3 at the moment!)