Extending the congestion charge zone

AstraVanMan <Peter@SwerveWeb.com> writes
>What does everyone think of this absolutely ludicrous suggestions?

The residents seem to think it's a good idea.

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Dave

"AstraVanMan" <Peter@SwerveWeb.com> wrote in message
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> > >What does everyone think of this absolutely ludicrous suggestions?
> >
> > The residents seem to think it's a good idea.
>
> The vast majority of everyone else doesn't. Next thing we'll have anyone
> living on a main road (who probably chose to buy a house on that main road
> in the first place) moaning and asking that we charge people to use the
main
> roads. Oh, hold on a minute, that might actually be happening in some
form
> or another.
>
> I'd just like to see an idea for a ring road around the new zone.

How about the north and south circular roads?

Cast_Iron <CastIron_881@m> writes
>How about the north and south circular roads?

M25?

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Dave

Dave wrote:
> Cast_Iron <CastIron_881@m> writes
>
>> How about the north and south circular roads?
>
>
> M25?
>

Coast?

"Dave Arquati" <me@> wrote the following in:
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> I don't think there are any plans to extend the zone north or
> southwards immediately - just eastwards and westwards.

I've looked around but I can't find any information about an extension
to the east. How far east are they planning to extend it?

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"Dave Arquati" <me@> wrote the following in:
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> Ken wanted to extend it into Kensington & Chelsea and Tower
> Hamlets - I'm not sure exactly how far into either. The limited
> map on the BBC News site showed just the Kensington & Chelsea
> extension since 52% of residents were in favour. It didn't seem to
> extend as far as the logical boundary (the West Cross Route) but
> instead seemed to run up Gloucester Road or some parallel route in
> the south (Queens Gate, or maybe Exhibition Road/Sydney St etc?).
>
> Only 33% of residents in Tower Hamlets were in favour of the
> extension so the map didn't show the eastwards extension.

I think it's ridiculous to extend it into Tower Hamlets, the poorest
borough in London. There would be bound to be people who were outside
the congestion charging zone but whose local supermarket or school or
similar important service was inside it, and who'd be left with no
adequate substitute method of transport. And for people who really
don't have a lot of money, that would be very unfair.

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In article <bfurrb$in53e$1@ID-73514.news.uni-berlin.de>, Redonda wrote:
>
> And what's the alternative? I had to go by bus to pick up my car
> from being serviced a couple of weeks ago and waited an hour and a
> quarter for a D7 - scheduled to run every 10-12 minutes between rush
> hours.

That would indicate only one bus out of six was in service (6 x 12 = 72
= 1hr 12 min).

> The journey from Westferry Road to Burdett Road, which takes
> about 4 or 5 minutes driving door to door, took 1 hour 40 minutes!!
>

Does beg the question as to why you didn't walk it, or (depending
exactly where on Westferry Road you were waiting) catch a 277?
Were the D3s running as they should have been?

> This wasn't an isolated incident - my wife often waits up to an hour
> for this bus when visiting relatives (she doesn't drive and is too
> scared of London drivers to learn). The amazing thing is that the D7
> must be one of the shortest routes in London, running from Poplar to
> Mile End round the Isle of Dogs where we live. It seems impossible
> that such a short route should have such long delays.
>

I assume you've complained to the TfL/First with all the relevant
details/dates?

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"Dave Arquati" <me@> wrote the following in:
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> The problem IMO with extending the zone to part of Tower Hamlets
> is that it doesn't really give any congestion relief benefit. If
> people are travelling through the zone extension to Central
> London, they already pay the charge so it makes no difference to
> them. If they travel through the extension on their way elsewhere
> (e.g. via the Rotherhithe tunnel) - then there's no alternative
> road route, although the East London Line extensions may help. If
> they are travelling to or from the zone, they're probably either
> travelling to a deprived area which would be very hard hit by
> charging, or to Canary Wharf, which probably isn't even in the
> zone extension anyway! (And I always have the impression that not
> that many people drive to Canary Wharf BICBW).

Ah, here is one of my (no longer) secret reasons for not wanting a
Tower Hamlets congestion charge: if they implement one then I won't be
able to go shopping in the Watrose in Canary Wharf. And this does
extend to being a real concern: the only real reason I can think of for
people drive to Canary Wharf is to do shopping in the shopping centre
there. If you prevent them from doing that then it'll kill off a lot of
business for them while at the same time not really solving a
congestion problem because Canary Wharf has no congestion problem.

Canary Wharf has such good transport links and such little provision
for cars (apart from the shopping centre car park) that people don't
need or want to drive there, and really the only vehicles I see there
in large numbers are taxis and buses.

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"Would Inspector Sands please go to the Operations Room immediately."

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Dave Arquati wrote:
> I don't think extending to Kensington & Chelsea has as many of these
> problems because it's a much more affluent area less likely to be
> economically hit by charging, and IMHO transport in the area is much
> better than in Tower Hamlets (except for the DLR). I also hate seeing
> buses speed down Piccadilly only to come to a grinding halt at Scotch
> House.
> However, depending on where they extend the zone to, it might or
> might not upset some of my lecturers...

Well I live on the Hammersmith Road just opposite Olympia, and was
"consulted" by TfL for about half an hour about two months ago regarding the
possible extension of the zone, and I got the idea that the Shepherds Bush
Road and Warwick Road were both being considered as possible Western
borders. I imagine that if either of those were eventually chosen then lots
of the Imperial College staff would get upset!