Crossrail

Cast_Iron <CastIron_881@m> writes
>>>> Is this some mechanism to allow "inter-city" trains to run
>>>> from the north, right through London and down to the
>>>> South-East. Or is it nowhere near that sensible?
>>>
>>> When completed the current East London Line project will
>>> allow that as
>>
>> I don't consider Highbury to Croydon/Crystal Palace trains
>> as being 'InterCity' - they will be local trains.
>>
>>> will the existing line betrween Willesden Junction and
>>> Clapham.
>>
>> Watford to Brighton trains? They are regional trains
>> rather than 'InterCity'.
>
>Who said anything about existing service, I was talking about what the
>new and existing railway will allow to happen.

There will be no InterCity trains via the ELL, only local ones.

What plans are there for InterCity trains via the Willesden-Clapham
route? I'm certainly not aware of any.

So please do enlighten us 'about what the new and existing railway will
allow to happen'.

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Dave

Cast_Iron <CastIron_881@m> writes
>> Cast_Iron <CastIron_881@m> writes
>>>>>> Is this some mechanism to allow "inter-city" trains to
>>>>>> run
>>>>>> from the north, right through London and down to the
>>>>>> South-East. Or is it nowhere near that sensible?
>>>>>
>>>>> When completed the current East London Line project will
>>>>> allow that as
>>>>
>>>> I don't consider Highbury to Croydon/Crystal Palace trains
>>>> as being 'InterCity' - they will be local trains.
>>>>
>>>>> will the existing line betrween Willesden Junction and
>>>>> Clapham.
>>>>
>>>> Watford to Brighton trains? They are regional trains
>>>> rather than 'InterCity'.
>>>
>>> Who said anything about existing service, I was talking
>>> about what the new and existing railway will allow to
>>> happen.
>>
>> There will be no InterCity trains via the ELL, only local
>> ones.
>>
>> What plans are there for InterCity trains via the
>> Willesden-Clapham route? I'm certainly not aware of any.
>>
>> So please do enlighten us 'about what the new and existing
>> railway will allow to happen'.
>
>Yet again you cite current proposals. Try thinking about possibilites.

You appear to be confusing what will happen, with cloud-cuckoo land.

Where is the room to fit the InterCity trains in between the stopping
trains on the ELL?

If you want to play fantasy railways; why not go the whole hog and claim
that the current Thameslink route already 'allows' the 'possibility' of
running trains from the East Midlands, via the Thameslink route, to
Brighton?

--
Dave

Dave wrote:
> Cast_Iron <CastIron_881@m> writes
>>> Cast_Iron <CastIron_881@m> writes
>>>>>>> Is this some mechanism to allow "inter-city" trains to
>>>>>>> run
>>>>>>> from the north, right through London and down to the
>>>>>>> South-East. Or is it nowhere near that sensible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> When completed the current East London Line project
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> allow that as
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't consider Highbury to Croydon/Crystal Palace
>>>>> trains
>>>>> as being 'InterCity' - they will be local trains.
>>>>>
>>>>>> will the existing line betrween Willesden Junction and
>>>>>> Clapham.
>>>>>
>>>>> Watford to Brighton trains? They are regional trains
>>>>> rather than 'InterCity'.
>>>>
>>>> Who said anything about existing service, I was talking
>>>> about what the new and existing railway will allow to
>>>> happen.
>>>
>>> There will be no InterCity trains via the ELL, only local
>>> ones.
>>>
>>> What plans are there for InterCity trains via the
>>> Willesden-Clapham route? I'm certainly not aware of any.
>>>
>>> So please do enlighten us 'about what the new and existing
>>> railway will allow to happen'.
>>
>> Yet again you cite current proposals. Try thinking about
>> possibilites.
>
> You appear to be confusing what will happen, with
> cloud-cuckoo land.
>
> Where is the room to fit the InterCity trains in between
> the stopping trains on the ELL?
>
> If you want to play fantasy railways; why not go the whole
> hog and claim that the current Thameslink route already
> 'allows' the 'possibility' of running trains from the East
> Midlands, via the Thameslink route, to Brighton?

Go back to the original question, "Is this some mechanism to allow
"inter-city" trains to run from the north, right through London and down to
the South-East."

The questioner isn't asking about current nor proposed train services. He's
asking about mechanisms which will allow something to happen. In this
instance the track alignments and connections will allow it to happen,
questions of timetabling, service intervals whilst relevant in the real
world are not applicable in the context of the question.

Learning to read, understand and then giving an accurate concise reply to
the question really does save an awful lot of time and energy.

In article <bfcf66$fdr$2@anubis.>, Huge <huge@huge.org.uk> wrote:
>Only if "successful" includes being the least reliable TOC in the
>country, according to the SRA.

Figures which were, in my opinion, intollerably deceptive.

There's a big difference between a TOC that can deliver one train an hour
with every train on time and one that delivers eight trains an hour with
every train five minutes late.

Dave
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In article <bfdlfr$mp7$6@anubis.>, Huge <huge@huge.org.uk> wrote:
>Thameslink publish the timetable. It's entirely their fault if they
>can't abide by it.

Absolutely. But with such a frequent service it doesn't really *matter*.

Dave
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Huge wrote:
> dave@fof.durge.org (David Marshall) writes:
>> In article <bfcf66$fdr$2@anubis.>, Huge
>> <huge@huge.org.uk> wrote:
>>> Only if "successful" includes being the least reliable
>>> TOC in the
>>> country, according to the SRA.
>>
>> Figures which were, in my opinion, intollerably deceptive.
>
> Indeed. What they should have said is that Thameslink's
> management will
> be publically hanged in front of St. Pancras station.
>
>>
>> There's a big difference between a TOC that can deliver
>> one train an hour with every train on time and one that
>> delivers eight trains an hour with every train five
>> minutes late.
>
> Thameslink publish the timetable. It's entirely their fault
> if they
> can't abide by it.

Wrong - as usual.

"Cast_Iron" <CastIron_881@m> wrote in message
news:bf9i10$e7v$1@hercules....
>
> Go back to the original question, "Is this some mechanism to allow
> "inter-city" trains to run from the north, right through London and
down to
> the South-East."
>
> The questioner isn't asking about current nor proposed train
services. He's
> asking about mechanisms which will allow something to happen. In
this
> instance the track alignments and connections will allow it to
happen,
> questions of timetabling, service intervals whilst relevant in the
real
> world are not applicable in the context of the question.
>
> Learning to read, understand and then giving an accurate concise
reply to
> the question really does save an awful lot of time and energy.

I'd bet the original poster just wants to know if Crossrail is likely
to result in service trains from the North to the SE rather than a
pedantic ramble about track alignments.

In article <bfh86s$k5g$2@titan.>,
Terry Harper <Terry.Harper@> wrote:
>> Absolutely. But with such a frequent service it doesn't really *matter*.
>Unfortunately the frequent service does not extend to the extremities.

I certainly agree with you there. It's a great service through London
(late running or not) but far too infrequent further out.

Dave
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In article <bfdv0h$7dp$1@fof.durge.org>, dave@fof.durge.org (David
Marshall) wrote:

> In article <bfdlfr$mp7$6@anubis.>, Huge <huge@huge.org.uk>
> > wrote:
> >Thameslink publish the timetable. It's entirely their fault if they
> >can't abide by it.
>
> Absolutely. But with such a frequent service it doesn't really *matter*.

The trouble with Thameslink if travelling from Brighton to Cambridge is
that most of the time you can leave Brighton later, travel more
comfortably to Victoria put up with the Victoria Line admittedly and get
to cambridge at the same time as using Thameslink. The times to cross
central London are dire, even compared with the tube. Ironically the seem
to keep to time better than South Central IME.

And another factor I discovered arriving at King's Cross Thameslink on
Thursday at 17:30 (on time) was that the platforms are barely passable to
the exits because of people waiting for other Thameslink trains. I know
the platforms are narrow but it was a real struggle. This seemed to be a
feature of all Thameslink platforms from Blackfriars to King's Cross
Thameslink.

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Colin Rosenstiel

Colin Rosenstiel wrote:
> And another factor I discovered arriving at King's Cross Thameslink on
> Thursday at 17:30 (on time) was that the platforms are barely passable to
> the exits because of people waiting for other Thameslink trains. I know
> the platforms are narrow but it was a real struggle. This seemed to be a
> feature of all Thameslink platforms from Blackfriars to King's Cross
> Thameslink.
>

Except for City Thameslink, which I've never found to be overcrowded even at
peak periods. Though the platforms are much deeper than KX Thameslink, and
there's an exit at both ends at the platform.

I agree with your description of King's Cross Thameslink in the evening
peak. When I commuted from City Thameslink to Cambridge I would ride in the
carriage which stopped by the King's Cross Thameslink exit to minimise the
time taken to get off the platform.

I read somewhere (Modern Railways, I think) that the new Thameslink Midland
Road station (for Thameslink 2000) will have just two platforms. I dread to
think how overcrowded the northbound one will become at 1730, with both
Bedford and King's Lynn services departing from the main platform.

Just think how many people wait on platform 8 at KX for the 1745 to King's
Lynn, add it to the number of people in the existing crush at the same time
at King's Cross Thameslink northbound, and you've got an almighty scrum,
even with wider and longer platforms. Surely someone has thought of this?

PaulO