ASLEF General Secretary deposed!

Centaur wrote:
> ASLEF Shock!
> So how does one feel now that 'lefty' (although nowhere
> near as left as Bob Crow I hasten to add) Mick Rix has been
> voted off the GS position to a "right winger" (apparently)
> Shaun Brady, for the next five years from October 19 2003.

Are you a journalist? I can't see any other reason for such information
being written in such strident tones.

"Cast_Iron" <CastIron_881@m> wrote in message
news:bf8i7a$jiq$1@titan....
> Are you a journalist? I can't see any other reason for such information
> being written in such strident tones.
>
Why no Sir, I'm a Train Driver on the LUL but that doesn't matter I thought
it was news?

In article <LBORa.48508$9C6.2588239@wards.force9.net>,
post@centaur.plus.com (Centaur) wrote:

> ASLEF Shock!
> So how does one feel now that 'lefty' (although nowhere near as left as
> Bob
> Crow I hasten to add) Mick Rix has been voted off the GS position to a
> "right winger" (apparently) Shaun Brady, for the next five years from
> October 19 2003.
>
> Mr Rix has had a double blow this week after loosing his best friend,
> District Secretary No 4 Alan Dodd who died suddenly on his way to
> hospital
> after an emergency ambulance was called.
>
>
>

Now if only the RMT members would see sense!

Roger

"Pre-38" <post@centaur.plus.com> wrote in message
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> >Shaun Brady once punched Bob Crow, for which action he is going to go to
> >heaven.
> >David Boothroyd
>
> >Union good guy: Anyone who realises they're in a public service industry
> >and should be serving the public, not disrupting them.
> >James Farrar
> >
> > Now if only the RMT members would see sense!
> > Roger [romic@compulink.co.uk]
>
>
> I detect yet more TDriver bashing going on . I recall similar threads
before
> on here. What IS the matter with you people. Against some organisation
> standing up for their members well being are we? Of course its very
> unfortunate that YOU happen to be the travelling public and therefore
suffer
> on strike days and of course when YOU look at your own personal salary
start
> moaning that the the Drivers get too much pay and all that usual bleating
> like the chimes of Big Ben. OK so we ditch Union representation altogether
> shall we and rely totally on the kindness of human resources Company
> management to look after our well being while we work for them and they
> award, themselves and only themselres, bigger pay rises into the bargain,
> which you know they will do. Shall we then see how the pay and conditions
> deteriorate shall we. Is that acceptable to you lot then. Will you be
happy
> then? Well I tell you it is simply not going to happen without a fight.
>
> DaveR
>
>

<DA mode>
I reckon all unions should be done away with in all public services and that
"management" should be allowed to impose whatever pay and conditions they
like upon the rest of the workforce.
</DA mode>

What would then happen eventually is that most of the decent people would
say "sod this" and vote with their feet and they would have difficulty
recruiting.

The management of the day would then be criticised for failing to provide a
decent service and would "seek new opportunities" to be replaced by sensible
people who realise that if you want to provide a decent service you have to
have decent people and they have to be treated decently.

Fanciful? A touch probably, but the principle is sound and has happened in
the past

Of course, notice could be taken of all the jealeous .prats who complain
that train drivers and others get paid too much so that pay gets cut. The
people affected leave, and no service.

Then listen to the same people bleat 'cause they can't get to their highly
paid city jobs.

That sounds like a good idea, I'm with you on that and thanks for the
support .cheers
DaveR

In article <OU8Sa.48733$9C6.2622063@wards.force9.net>,
post@centaur.plus.com (Pre-38) wrote:

> >Shaun Brady once punched Bob Crow, for which action he is going to go
> to
> >heaven.
> >David Boothroyd
>
> >Union good guy: Anyone who realises they're in a public service
> industry
> >and should be serving the public, not disrupting them.
> >James Farrar
> >
> > Now if only the RMT members would see sense!
> > Roger [romic@compulink.co.uk]
>
>
> I detect yet more TDriver bashing going on . I recall similar threads
> before
> on here. What IS the matter with you people. Against some organisation
> standing up for their members well being are we? Of course its very
> unfortunate that YOU happen to be the travelling public and therefore
> suffer
> on strike days and of course when YOU look at your own personal salary
> start
> moaning that the the Drivers get too much pay and all that usual
> bleating
> like the chimes of Big Ben. OK so we ditch Union representation
> altogether
> shall we and rely totally on the kindness of human resources Company
> management to look after our well being while we work for them and they
> award, themselves and only themselres, bigger pay rises into the
> bargain,
> which you know they will do. Shall we then see how the pay and
> conditions
> deteriorate shall we. Is that acceptable to you lot then. Will you be
> happy
> then? Well I tell you it is simply not going to happen without a fight.
>
> DaveR
>
>

I am a driver - I meant that if only the RMT members saw sense and booted
Bob Crow out for someone more reasonable. Then, who knows, perhaps the two
unions will start working with each other rather than fighting each other.
It can only be in the members interests.

Roger

Pre-38 wrote:

> Most of the non union members who drive trains are a pretty disparaging lot.
> They come in on strike days (usually or if not go sick about a week earlier)
> and merrily accept what we end up fighting for.

What are they supposed to do, turn down a pay rise?

"James Farrar" <londonstatto.uk> wrote in message
news:3F1AB1F4.6020102.uk...
> Pre-38 wrote:
> What are they supposed to do, turn down a pay rise?

Yes, is the plain answer to that or join the Union. Do One or other. They
wouldn't be getting the pay rise if it wasn't for the collective action on
the part of their colleaugues. The very least is that they could give their
days pay for coming in on a day of industrial action to some needy charity
and show us all the receipt later! But don't moan that the Unions never did
any good for them, which is what they normally do all the while.
DR

Pre-38 wrote:
> "James Farrar" <londonstatto.uk> wrote in message
> news:3F1AB1F4.6020102.uk...
>
>>Pre-38 wrote:
>>What are they supposed to do, turn down a pay rise?
>
>
> Yes, is the plain answer to that or join the Union. Do One or other.

Why? I wouldn't turn down a pay rise for any reason.

> They wouldn't be getting the pay rise if it wasn't for the collective
> action on the part of their colleaugues.

Thank you for your generosity. More money always comes in handy.

CJG wrote:
> In message <OU8Sa.48733$9C6.2622063@wards.force9.net>,
> Pre-38 <post@centaur.plus.com> writes
>> Well I tell you it is simply not going to happen without a
>> fight.
>
> Its okay for train drivers. They don't have to try and get
> to work when there is a train strike on. If they did they
> would soon change their tune. Ask someone who lost
> everything they own in a fire during a fire strike if they
> support fire strikes?
> People who work in essential services such as transport,
> police, fire, hospitals should not be allowed to go on
> strike.

That's ok as long as they are given decent pay and conditions and are
treated decently. Since the likelihood of that happening is about the same
as a snowball surviving in hell, forget it.