It's Official: Echelon "Delayed"

On Aug 2, 2:43 pm, "CLM in ND" <camarv...@m> wrote:
> "Rob Taylor" <robta...@> wrote in message
>
> news:a77a9b7b-98da-44c5-902b-0047c90091d2@b2g2000prf..com...
>
> Like F. Scott Fitzgerald would say, "the rich are different from you
> and me".
>
> Rob "Fancypants" Taylor
> __________________________________________________ _____
>
> I was mostly referring to Echelon Place & the former Frontier property where
> the new "Plaza" is supposed to be built. They tore down two solvent
> hotel/casinos and put 1000's of people out of work to build properties they
> can't get the money to pay for.
>
> Cameron

I suppose that's fair... but I think it shows that why everyone's
chasing the upscale market; it's less sensitive to poor economic
conditions.

It's a very open question how far you can dilute it in Vegas, though,
given that the US isn't exactly tourist friendly these days ("Hi!
Welcome to the United States! Let's fingerprint you and take your
picture like you're a criminal!"), there's expansion in places like
Macau, and there's a glut of upscale condos on the market, too.

I would expect to see LOTS of good room deals for deluxe
accommodations on the Strip after NFR ends in early December...

Rob "Fancypants" Taylor

"Rob Taylor" <robtay23@> wrote in message
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> I suppose that's fair... but I think it shows that why everyone's
> chasing the upscale market; it's less sensitive to poor economic
> conditions.
>
> It's a very open question how far you can dilute it in Vegas, though,
> given that the US isn't exactly tourist friendly these days ("Hi!
> Welcome to the United States! Let's fingerprint you and take your
> picture like you're a criminal!"), there's expansion in places like
> Macau, and there's a glut of upscale condos on the market, too.
>
> I would expect to see LOTS of good room deals for deluxe
> accommodations on the Strip after NFR ends in early December...
>
> Rob "Fancypants" Taylor

I don't know about "deluxe", but my reservations for a week in
January 2009 in an off-strip upper-mid level hotel are less this
time than five nights were in January this year.

I booked directly as they were willing to let me have the same
price I found on a discount site.

Of course, I'll keep checking as the time gets closer.

On Aug 3, 8:21 am, "jrogow" <JRo...@Newsguy.com> wrote:
> "Rob Taylor" <robta...@> wrote in message
>
> news:25d71989-5f0f-41a8-b388-bd8b718c9ac0@q5g2000prf..com...
>
> > I suppose that's fair... but I think it shows that why everyone's
> > chasing the upscale market; it's less sensitive to poor economic
> > conditions.
>
> > It's a very open question how far you can dilute it in Vegas, though,
> > given that the US isn't exactly tourist friendly these days ("Hi!
> > Welcome to the United States! Let's fingerprint you and take your
> > picture like you're a criminal!"), there's expansion in places like
> > Macau, and there's a glut of upscale condos on the market, too.
>
> > I would expect to see LOTS of good room deals for deluxe
> > accommodations on the Strip after NFR ends in early December...
>
> > Rob "Fancypants" Taylor
>
> I don't know about "deluxe", but my reservations for a week in
> January 2009 in an off-strip upper-mid level hotel are less this
> time than five nights were in January this year.
>
> I booked directly as they were willing to let me have the same
> price I found on a discount site.
>
> Of course, I'll keep checking as the time gets closer.

Yeah, that sounds about right. I've seen a hotwire "4 star hotel
casino in Henderson" (read: GVR) for $79...

Rob "Fancypants" Taylor

"Rob Taylor" <robtay23@> wrote in message
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> On Aug 3, 8:21 am, "jrogow" <JRo...@Newsguy.com> wrote:
>> "Rob Taylor" <robta...@> wrote in message
>>
>> news:25d71989-5f0f-41a8-b388-bd8b718c9ac0@q5g2000prf..com...
>>
>> > I suppose that's fair... but I think it shows that why everyone's
>> > chasing the upscale market; it's less sensitive to poor economic
>> > conditions.
>>
>> > It's a very open question how far you can dilute it in Vegas, though,
>> > given that the US isn't exactly tourist friendly these days ("Hi!
>> > Welcome to the United States! Let's fingerprint you and take your
>> > picture like you're a criminal!"), there's expansion in places like
>> > Macau, and there's a glut of upscale condos on the market, too.
>>
>> > I would expect to see LOTS of good room deals for deluxe
>> > accommodations on the Strip after NFR ends in early December...
>>
>> > Rob "Fancypants" Taylor
>>
>> I don't know about "deluxe", but my reservations for a week in
>> January 2009 in an off-strip upper-mid level hotel are less this
>> time than five nights were in January this year.
>>
>> I booked directly as they were willing to let me have the same
>> price I found on a discount site.
>>
>> Of course, I'll keep checking as the time gets closer.
>
> Yeah, that sounds about right. I've seen a hotwire "4 star hotel
> casino in Henderson" (read: GVR) for $79...
>
> Rob "Fancypants" Taylor

Yes, off-strip prices are certainly reasonable this year.

droyus wrote:

/snip/
>
> A nice thought, but unfortunately, it'll never happen. Inflation, gas
> prices and the artificially manufactured image of an "upscale" Vegas
> will only keep prices moving upward. 10 years from now a $25 table on
> the strip will be considered to be for the low-rollers. Doesn't
> everyone know that Vegas is recession-proof? Oh yeah...until they
> took its emphasis away from gambling.

I told my Vegas Buddies the other day that once table minimums reach
$15, that I am out on Vegas. They were amused since my average bet is
probably $25 - $30, but I like the option of backing my bets back down
to $5 or $10--even if I rarely do.

George Leppla wrote:
>
> "Vickster" <a397a6d@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:dvmcm5xp7p.ln2@recgro...
>> On Aug 1 2008 6:18 PM, CLM in ND wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Most folks aren't high rollers, but apparently the powers to be
>>> thought there would be enough of them to go around. They traded in
>>> their bread & butter for escargot & cavier; escargot & cavier that's
>>> starting to spoil.
>>>
>>> Cameron
>>
>>
>> Amen Brother! Also, their new "B-Connected" program is going to eliminate
>> alot of loyal fans too (IMHO). By upping the ante' to get simple comps, I
>> believe you'll see revenues move to the competitors that appreciate
>> middle
>> America...moderate gamblers...loyal customers. We're just at the tp of
>> the melting iceberg of bad news. Vic
>
> Sam's Town in Shreveport used to be fairly generous with comps..... now,
> not so much. I do like the idea that play here might count towards
> properties in Vegas, but since I do most of my gambling here, I'm better
> off playing where I get the best value. Here lately, that has been at
> Boomtown.
>
> George L

I love the rooms at Sam's Town in Shreveport......very nice opulent
rooms. I just wish I could get a comp on the room (or at least a
decent rate). I haven't been in a while but I usually ended up staying
at El Dorado (or whatever it's called now). Could usually get the room
comped for one night and maybe $25 - $30 in meals. Not great but
usually there less than 24 hours.

CLM in ND wrote:
> "Rob Taylor" <robtay23@> wrote in message
> news:a77a9b7b-98da-44c5-902b-0047c90091d2@b2g2000prf..com...
>
> Like F. Scott Fitzgerald would say, "the rich are different from you
> and me".
>
> Rob "Fancypants" Taylor
> __________________________________________________ _____
>
> I was mostly referring to Echelon Place & the former Frontier property where
> the new "Plaza" is supposed to be built. They tore down two solvent
> hotel/casinos and put 1000's of people out of work to build properties they
> can't get the money to pay for.
>
> Cameron
>
>
Well Frontier was barely solvent wasn't it?

CLM in ND wrote:
> "coorslte" <coorslte@> wrote in message
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>> CLM in ND wrote:
>>> "Rob Taylor" <robtay23@> wrote in message
>>> news:a77a9b7b-98da-44c5-902b-0047c90091d2@b2g2000prf..com...
>>>
>>> Like F. Scott Fitzgerald would say, "the rich are different from you
>>> and me".
>>>
>>> Rob "Fancypants" Taylor
>>> __________________________________________________ _____
>>>
>>> I was mostly referring to Echelon Place & the former Frontier property
>>> where the new "Plaza" is supposed to be built. They tore down two
>>> solvent hotel/casinos and put 1000's of people out of work to build
>>> properties they can't get the money to pay for.
>>>
>>> Cameron
>> Well Frontier was barely solvent wasn't it?
>
> I had heard it made money, but Ruffin never spent a dime on upkeep. It's
> too bad they tore it down; I liked the casino layout and could always see
> the potential there. They could have spent $200 million renovating the
> place into something pretty nice, kind of like what was done with the Desert
> Inn just a few years before SW decided to close it & tear it down.
>
> Cameron
>
>
I do remember seeing Siegfried and Roy there in the late 70's. $36 for
a dinner show with two drinks. Then it was very nice.