Confusion about when it's my navigation, and when it's ATC

On Jan 3, 9:21 am, "mad8" <mad8vski...@> wrote:
> i wonder if his simulator's ATC tells him to hang himself he will? (one
> can only hope)
>

MS, don't let post like this bother you. ANY interest in aviation is
good. Real pilots are in general one of the most POLITE bunch of people
you'd ever want to meet and hang out with. It's a a close knit
community. A lot of GA pilots like to hang out at the local airports
and do nothing but "hanger flying", i.e. sit around and talk about
aviation (and other topics).

Try it sometime, and join a local chapter of the EAA (experimental
aircraft association). You'll learn a lot more from talking to folks
than from reading posts like Mad's.

"John Theune" <JTheune@> wrote

> Are you flying IFR? if so then ATC will tell you what altitude to be at.
> Resume own navigation refers to routing not altitude. VFR is a different
> set of rules.

He is flying a simulator "game," so he isn't really flying anything, and has
no consequences to whatever he does.

Get it?
--
Jim in NC

Jim Carter wrote:
> He'd reboot - its Windows and Flightsim after all.

I just read about a guy who's Garmin mx20 died.

The screen went blank and then blue.

On the bottom of the screen:

"Microsoft Service Pack 2"

ak.

Capt.Doug,

> > OK, so should I say something like "leaving FL290 for 12000 at CLARR,"
> > assuming I'm already cleared to descend at my discretion?
>
> Sounds professional.
>

Actually, no, it doesn't. The word "for" is to be avoided because it sound
the same as "four". It sounds like many airline pilots (just like "twelve
hundred" or "with you"), but professional it is not.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

When flying IFR with jet aircraft, the pilot has little discretion
unless specifically given by ATC.

A usual transmission is, United xxx, descend to 15000, and that's what
you do. On rare occasion, it may be a little looser, United xxx
descent at pilot's discretion, cross intersection xyz at 15000.

If you want a better feel for what actually goes on than you will ever
get via newsgroup, take a couple of United flights and listen to the
ATC channel - it can be much more entertaining than the movie at times.

Paul kgyy wrote:
> When flying IFR with jet aircraft, the pilot has little discretion
> unless specifically given by ATC.

Jets are given pilot discretion clearance whenever possible. It is not
a rare event.
>
> A usual transmission is, United xxx, descend to 15000, and that's what
> you do. On rare occasion, it may be a little looser, United xxx
> descent at pilot's discretion, cross intersection xyz at 15000.

You have that a bit wrong. If a crossing restriction is included a
pilot's discretion descent is implied.

AIM Reference:

If the altitude information of an ATC DESCENT clearance includes a
provision to “CROSS (fix) AT” or “AT OR ABOVE/BELOW (altitude),” the
manner in which the descent is executed to comply with the crossing
altitude is at the pilot’s discretion. This authorization to descend at
pilot’s discretion is only applicable to that portion of the flight to
which the crossing altitude restriction applies, and the pilot is
expected to comply with the crossing altitude as a provision of the
clearance. Any other clearance in which pilot execution is optional will
so state “AT PILOT’S DISCRETION.”


>
> If you want a better feel for what actually goes on than you will ever
> get via newsgroup, take a couple of United flights and listen to the
> ATC channel - it can be much more entertaining than the movie at times.
>
If someone has to ride United Airlines to learn about ATC transmissions,
the pain isn't worth the gain.

Sam Spade <Sam@coldmail.com> wrote:

> I'd add the caveat that the value of listening to tower or TRACON,
> although, great, does not give the flavor of listening to center sectors
> adjacent to busy terminal airspace. For instance, all the descent stuff
> that might include PD clearances will occur on Los Angeles Center
> frequenices, high and low sectors, not on SoCal frequencies.

Not sure if you are assuming that LiveATC.net only carries tower or TRACON
frequencies or not, but in case you are: LiveATC.net also carries many
centner frequencies.

As an example, LiveATC.net has many Boston and NY center frequencies.

Another point is that LiveATC is made up of volunteers providing scanned
frequencies. There are not a lot of western US frequencies on the site due
simply to the lack of volunteers offering them. If you know anyone... :)


--
Peter
A LiveATC volunteer feeding KSYR tower and approach.

Peter R. wrote:
> Sam Spade <Sam@coldmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'd add the caveat that the value of listening to tower or TRACON,
>>although, great, does not give the flavor of listening to center sectors
>>adjacent to busy terminal airspace. For instance, all the descent stuff
>>that might include PD clearances will occur on Los Angeles Center
>>frequenices, high and low sectors, not on SoCal frequencies.
>
>
> Not sure if you are assuming that LiveATC.net only carries tower or TRACON
> frequencies or not, but in case you are: LiveATC.net also carries many
> centner frequencies.
>
> As an example, LiveATC.net has many Boston and NY center frequencies.
>
> Another point is that LiveATC is made up of volunteers providing scanned
> frequencies. There are not a lot of western US frequencies on the site due
> simply to the lack of volunteers offering them. If you know anyone... :)
>
>
I missed the center frequencies. To get a good flavor of the east high
and low LA frequenices you would need a volunteer in Barstow and one
somewhere in the Ontario area. ;-)

Sam Spade <Sam@coldmail.com> wrote:

> I missed the center frequencies. To get a good flavor of the east high
> and low LA frequenices you would need a volunteer in Barstow and one
> somewhere in the Ontario area. ;-)

Is that where their antenna farms or just the facilities are located?

--
Peter

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> "Give a man a fish, and he'll feed himself for the night. Teach
> a man to fish, and he'll feed himself for a lifetime."
>

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