IFR GPS

I seem to be having a hard time grasping this...

My ADF has taken a nose dive for the final time and I'd like to install an
IFR GPS to be able to use it in lieu of an ADF and DME and the moving map
would be nice as well. ( I fly with a handheld Garmin 196 already ). So
here's my problem. I think I'm about two years away from installing a whole
new avionics package with a MFD etc... So, I'd like to keep my costs down to
a reasonable level at present but still have a very workable system that
gives me the option of a /G flight plan. GPS approaches are not what I'm
really after here. I'm getting conflicting advice on whether I need a system
with the annunciator and an OBS for the GPS or can I have the 89B ( or
similar model ) installed and simply use the readout from the face for legal
IFR enroute flight? Or am I going about this all wrong to start with? Having
never flown an aircraft with an IFR approved GPS, I'm kinda confused about
what to do. The cost between the two setups is substantial.

--

Steve in Cleve

For terminal/enroute flight you have to have a CDI. I have the UPS GX55
and love it. I only have one CDI in the plane and it has a switch to go
back and forth between the ILS radio and the GPS. If you have two CDI's
you can have your shop rig up a switch to your VOR only CDI. You will
also need the annunciator if you go the switch route. If you go with
the CDI designed for the GPS it will have the annunciator built into the
face of the CDI.

Stephen Merrifield wrote:
> I seem to be having a hard time grasping this...
>
> My ADF has taken a nose dive for the final time and I'd like to install an
> IFR GPS to be able to use it in lieu of an ADF and DME and the moving map
> would be nice as well. ( I fly with a handheld Garmin 196 already ). So
> here's my problem. I think I'm about two years away from installing a whole
> new avionics package with a MFD etc... So, I'd like to keep my costs down to
> a reasonable level at present but still have a very workable system that
> gives me the option of a /G flight plan. GPS approaches are not what I'm
> really after here. I'm getting conflicting advice on whether I need a system
> with the annunciator and an OBS for the GPS or can I have the 89B ( or
> similar model ) installed and simply use the readout from the face for legal
> IFR enroute flight? Or am I going about this all wrong to start with? Having
> never flown an aircraft with an IFR approved GPS, I'm kinda confused about
> what to do. The cost between the two setups is substantial.
>

Read AIM 1-1-21 under "Instrument Approach Capabilities."

Bob Gardner

"Stephen Merrifield" <stallhorn@ameritech.net> wrote in message
news:0_Zmb.4636$P%1.3955489@newssvr28.news.prodigy .com...
> I seem to be having a hard time grasping this...
>
> My ADF has taken a nose dive for the final time and I'd like to install an
> IFR GPS to be able to use it in lieu of an ADF and DME and the moving map
> would be nice as well. ( I fly with a handheld Garmin 196 already ). So
> here's my problem. I think I'm about two years away from installing a
whole
> new avionics package with a MFD etc... So, I'd like to keep my costs down
to
> a reasonable level at present but still have a very workable system that
> gives me the option of a /G flight plan. GPS approaches are not what I'm
> really after here. I'm getting conflicting advice on whether I need a
system
> with the annunciator and an OBS for the GPS or can I have the 89B ( or
> similar model ) installed and simply use the readout from the face for
legal
> IFR enroute flight? Or am I going about this all wrong to start with?
Having
> never flown an aircraft with an IFR approved GPS, I'm kinda confused about
> what to do. The cost between the two setups is substantial.
>
> --
>
> Steve in Cleve
>
>

"pgbnh" wrote:

> Looking to upgrade the panel to include an IFR GPS. Are there really any
> alternatives to Garmin? (either 430 or 480 or 530) (where alternative is
> defined as comparable functionality for comparable price)?

Not really, alas.

Bendix/King has the KLN-94. It's a nice GPS but it does not have built-in
NAV/COMM.

--
Dan
C-172RG at BFM

Garmin makes the GNC-300XL which is an enroute & approach certified GPS /
Comm.
The VFR version is the GNC 250XL.

"pgbnh" <paul.brock@> wrote in message
news:mZqdnZ2dnZ2_8lP3nZ2dnS9Jkd6dnZ2dRVn-yJ2dnZ0@...
> Looking to upgrade the panel to include an IFR GPS. Are there really any
> alternatives to Garmin? (either 430 or 480 or 530) (where alternative is
> defined as comparable functionality for comparable price)?
>

Not quite comparable in function or price (both lower).

Happy 300XL owner

Carl Orton wrote:
> Garmin makes the GNC-300XL which is an enroute & approach certified GPS /
> Comm.
> The VFR version is the GNC 250XL.
>
> "pgbnh" <paul.brock@> wrote in message
> news:mZqdnZ2dnZ2_8lP3nZ2dnS9Jkd6dnZ2dRVn-yJ2dnZ0@...
>
>>Looking to upgrade the panel to include an IFR GPS. Are there really any
>>alternatives to Garmin? (either 430 or 480 or 530) (where alternative is
>>defined as comparable functionality for comparable price)?
>>
>
>
>

If you define GPS functionality as the ability to go enroute and do
approaches, only the Garmin 480 has functionality over the 430, 530,
KIng series (90, 89) or any of the other ones that have enroute, and
approach capability.

If you define functionality as something else, then there is a
difference.

To me, the biggest difference would be being able to get the Nexrad
data off the XMradio band. But of course you have to pay the
subscription costs.

pgbnh wrote:
> Looking to upgrade the panel to include an IFR GPS. Are there really any
> alternatives to Garmin? (either 430 or 480 or 530) (where alternative is
> defined as comparable functionality for comparable price)?
>
>

Yea, doing without.

On 8/25/2005 11:53, Scott Moore wrote:

> pgbnh wrote:
>> Looking to upgrade the panel to include an IFR GPS. Are there really any
>> alternatives to Garmin? (either 430 or 480 or 530) (where alternative is
>> defined as comparable functionality for comparable price)?
>>
>>
>
> Yea, doing without.
>

How is doing without comparable in price and functionality to a GNS 430?

--
Mark Hansen, PP-ASEL, Instrument Student
Sacramento, CA

No, you're not "stuck" waiting for Garmin.
I've had my MX20/GNS480(nee CNX80) combination for two years.

"Victor J. Osborne, Jr." <vosborne2@charter.net> wrote in message news:rqqPe.2384$Yh6.614@fe04.lga...
> I'd get whatever could output to a flat panel such as Avedyne (sp?).
> Anything but Garmin. I bought the sales line 'in a few months, later this
> year at the latest for about 3 years now. Get an IFR panel model that
> outputs to a panel and other functions come with. Go Garmin and your stuck
> w/ waiting for them to add it to the 530/430.
>
> Thx, {|;-)
>
> Victor J. (Jim) Osborne, Jr.
>
> "pgbnh" <paul.brock@> wrote in message
> news:mZqdnZ2dnZ2_8lP3nZ2dnS9Jkd6dnZ2dRVn-yJ2dnZ0@...
>> Looking to upgrade the panel to include an IFR GPS. Are there really any
>> alternatives to Garmin? (either 430 or 480 or 530) (where alternative is
>> defined as comparable functionality for comparable price)?
>