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Old 2nd August 2003, 10:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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>2-The altitude you hold shall be 500 feet off the nearest thousand, you may
> choose that altitude, but you must advise ATC of the altitude you choose and

are
> holding. (Hardly "VFR", isn't it?!)


Steve,
Cleveland App wants me at 3000 when I come in over Lake Erie from the north. I
cancel IFR if I can and stay high. Do you mean that I can request ( and get)
VFR on Top and then stay high and still be IFR? Can they refuse and insist I
came down or cancel?

Chuck
 
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Old 2nd August 2003, 04:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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PaulaJay1 wrote:
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> Cleveland App wants me at 3000 when I come in over Lake Erie from the north.


I
> cancel IFR if I can and stay high. Do you mean that I can request ( and get)
> VFR on Top and then stay high and still be IFR?


If they approve OTP then you pick the altitude. If they want you lower
they will let you know.


Can they refuse and insist I
> came down or cancel?
>


ATC can always refuse your request to go OTP.

 
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Old 2nd August 2003, 11:52 PM   #3 (permalink)
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"PaulaJay1" <paulajay1@> wrote in message
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>
> Cleveland App wants me at 3000 when I come in over Lake Erie
> from the north. I cancel IFR if I can and stay high. Do you mean
> that I can request ( and get) VFR on Top and then stay high and
> still be IFR?
>


You're IFR whenever you're operating VFR-on-Top.


>
> Can they refuse and insist I came down or cancel?
>


Unless you cancel, they're going to direct you to come down at some point.
What else can they do? You can't maintain VFR-on-Top all the way to your
destination airport. If there's a solid undercast below you, the lowest you
can go is 1000' above the clouds. At some point you're going to be given a
hard altitude and as soon as that happens you're no longer operating
VFR-on-Top.


 
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