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Old 26th July 2003, 02:02 PM   #1 (permalink)
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(Everett M. Greene) wrote
> I thought KLM was taken to task for lack of CRM after the
> Tenerife disaster...


I think that we are discussing KAL not KLM.

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Old 26th July 2003, 03:38 PM   #2 (permalink)
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There was a post a year or two back by someone who acted as
some kind of CRM inspector on a KAL flight into SFO. Based on
that I would never fly KAL again (or let anyone I care about do so).
It was horrific. Unfortunately a quick Google doesn't find it. Things
like not only flying through their own (28R) localizer but also the
28L loc and generally heading for the hills before realizing anything
was wrong, and a lot of commentary about the internal culture.

We're all supposed to be able to detect a failed AI and do the
right thing. Not saying we'd all be perfect (including me) in the
heat of the moment, but even so this is pretty astonishing.

John

"Robert Moore" <rmoore16@tampabay.> wrote in message
news:Xns93C45F85B503Crmoore16tampabayrrco@65.32.1. 7...
> "Julian Scarfe" wrote
> > It's the long-awaited report into the loss of a KAL cargo 747
> > shortly after departure from London Stansted just before
> > Christmas 1999. The Captain's AI was faulty (or possibly the
> > INU used as attitude input to the AI was faulty). Despite the
> > presence of a First Officer with a serviceable AI in front of
> > him, a third standby instrument that was apparently operating
> > normally and a Flight Engineer who prompted the Captain to
> > cross-check the AIs, the aircraft was lost along with the lives
> > of all 4 aboard.

>
> Back in the 70's, when KAL first started flying 707s
> internationally, several of my furloughed PanAm friends
> took copilot jobs with them primariy to provide an English
> speaking capability. The horror stories that they brought
> back would turn your hair white.
> Their lack of anything resembling a CRM program is obvious.
>
> Bob Moore



 
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Old 26th July 2003, 07:30 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Sydney Hoeltzli wrote

> Robert Moore wrote:
>> The horror stories that they brought back
>> would turn your hair white.

>
> Like?


Sydney, I don't type that fast! :-)

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Robert Moore wrote:

> Sydney, I don't type that fast! :-)


Oh, pick one or two and type slowly :)

I have to say this accident report totally flummoxed me.

I do wonder how much culture is an influence

Cheers,
Sydney

 
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