Garmin buys UPS AT...

In article <tR9Ua.25474$BM.8220388@newssrv26.news. >,
"Dave Stadt" <dhstadt@ameritech.net> wrote:
> "Dennis O'Connor" <doconnor@chartermi.net> wrote in message
> news:vi29bml7ohqda4@corp.supernews.com...
> > If you can't beat em - buy em!
>
> In this case it was......If you can't beat em - sell out to em.
>


It would appear that UPSAT had technology that Garmin did not, which
would indicate to me that Garmin was the technological underdog. If
there was nothing there for Garmin, they wouldn't have bothered with the
aquisition.



JKG

"Ron Natalie" <ron@sensor.com> wrote in message
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> "Tarver Engineering" <jtarver@sti.net> wrote in message
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> > > Never could understand what Brown was doing owning that business
anyhow.
> >
> > DME replacement.

> Doesn't explain why they need to own an avionics company. None of the
other
> cargo companies felt it necessary to develop their own avionics.

I wrote the wrong thing anyway Ron. What I should have written is "third
LRN replacement". Two spinning and one radio give a nice technology cross
check and I don't think anyone was making 6 wire distance, from a GPS.

John P. Tarver, MS/PE

"Roy Smith" wrote:
> > Garmin buys a company of 150 people and you think they have dominated an
> > entire industry?
>
> Industry? No. But the field of GA GPS? Absolutely. When it comes to
> GPS receivers for general aviation, Garmin and UPS are not just #1 and
> #2, there really isn't a #3. King, Lowrance, and Northstar are all
> pretty much non-players at this point.

True.

The more I think about this, the less I like it. Garmin will now have about
as much competition in this market as Microsoft does in pc OS's. <shudder>
--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

Jonathan Goodish wrote:
>
> In article <tR9Ua.25474$BM.8220388@newssrv26.news. >,
> "Dave Stadt" <dhstadt@ameritech.net> wrote:
> > "Dennis O'Connor" <doconnor@chartermi.net> wrote in message
> > news:vi29bml7ohqda4@corp.supernews.com...
> > > If you can't beat em - buy em!
> >
> > In this case it was......If you can't beat em - sell out to em.
> >
>
> It would appear that UPSAT had technology that Garmin did not, which
> would indicate to me that Garmin was the technological underdog. If
> there was nothing there for Garmin, they wouldn't have bothered with the
> aquisition.
>
> JKG

Or you could be a cynic and say that Garmin didn't like UPS offering
plates and better display colors, so now they won't have to.

--
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Also for most men, true happiness can only be achieved without a woman.
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The Customer Suffers wrote:
>
> I'd expect prices to soon go thru the roof, now that they have the
> monopoly over the aviation GPS market.

The CNX80 was clearly designed to be a 430 knockoff, so there is just
as clearly going to be a product line reduction. However, Garmin would
be nuts to kill the better display capabilities, WAAS and plate displays
UPS has done, because that would create a bad impression with its customers.

Everyone agrees that the 430/530 series is a nice unit, but it was not
the technological best. THe color display is limited, there is no WAAS
solution, no approach plate solution, no terrain, no airway, and on and
on. Garmin won partially on price (yes, having an all in one unit IS
dramatically cheaper to install), partially on being first with the most,
and very much on customer service, which in my mind is the best in the
business. In short, Garmin is not your father's monopolistic company,
and big complacent companies in avionics DO fail, just look at King.

If Garmin wants to be the new King, they will use the chance to kill
better UPS products. If not, they will kill the CNX80 and push the high
end UPS stuff, then revamp the GNS line quickly to cover everything
UPS had going.

I highly suspect that Garmin is just getting started, so I think it will
be the latter. Garmin will be the leader in WAAS, ADS-B when it becomes
real, and probally displays as well.

--
For most men, true happiness can only be achieved with a woman.
Also for most men, true happiness can only be achieved without a woman.
Sharp minds have noted that these two rules tend to conflict.....

Craig Davidson wrote:

"UPS Aviation Technologies, headquartered in Salem, Ore., designs and

> manufactures multiple lines of communications, navigation and surveillance
> products for general aviation and air transport customers. The company
> employs about 150 people"
>
> Garmin buys a company of 150 people and you think they have dominated an
> entire industry?

The UPS avionics effort was an attempt by the freight-hauling parent to design
some of their own avionics for their fleet, then as the thing grew its own
life, some of them prevailed to make G/A goodies. This likely came to
interfere with the core business, thus they were more than ready to dump this
subsiderary.

<joe@obilivan.net> wrote in message news:3F239BA4.B24C184E@obilivan.net...
>
>
> Craig Davidson wrote:
>
> "UPS Aviation Technologies, headquartered in Salem, Ore., designs and
>
> > manufactures multiple lines of communications, navigation and
surveillance
> > products for general aviation and air transport customers. The company
> > employs about 150 people"
> >
> > Garmin buys a company of 150 people and you think they have dominated an
> > entire industry?
>
> The UPS avionics effort was an attempt by the freight-hauling parent to
design
> some of their own avionics for their fleet, then as the thing grew its own
> life, some of them prevailed to make G/A goodies. This likely came to
> interfere with the core business, thus they were more than ready to dump
this
> subsiderary.

Thirty nine million, in the current market, looks like smiling all the way
to the bank to me.

<joe@obilivan.net> wrote in message news:3F239BA4.B24C184E@obilivan.net...
> The UPS avionics effort was an attempt by the freight-hauling parent to
design
> some of their own avionics for their fleet, then as the thing grew its own
> life, some of them prevailed to make G/A goodies.

Huh? Hardly. The UPS line of avionics is basically the same as it was
before UPS bought it, along with the company, from II Morrow. The
"freight-hauling parent" didn't do much design, if any, nor was it intended
specifically for their own fleet. It was targeted at GA from the outset, by
the original designer: II Morrow.

Frankly, I thought it was always a little strange that UPS bought out II
Morrow, but their current choice of how to dispose of their purchase is
going to be very bad for the avionics market. There's going to be even less
price competition than there was before, and I will be surprised if Garmin
leaves both product lines available intact.

Anyone know how to get the FTC to notice this and do something about it?

Pete

"Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> wrote:
> Frankly, I thought it was always a little strange that UPS bought out II
> Morrow,

Everybody seems to think UPS wanted GPS for their air fleet. I suspect
they were a lot more interested in it for their ground fleet. For every
cargo jet they operate, they've probably got 100, if not 1000, trucks.

The Garmin reps at OSH would not talk about merger plans at all, nor would
they comment whether the current product line would be continued or
supported.

The UPSAT CNX-80 was a direct broadsides at the 430/530, and may have been
the only reason Garmin announced a reasonable upgrade for the 430/530 to
meet the 5 Hz update rate for WAAS cert (but still on the drawing boards.)
Otherwise, I am sure Garmin would have just come out with a 435/535 and told
us suckers who bought too early to just "trade it in"... I will be curious
to see if the CNX-80s actually ship in any sizeable numbers, or if those
with the units on order are given an opportunity to get a 530 instead...

Didn't Goodrich (now L3) relable MX-20s? What are they going to do?

I have a strong suspision the incentive for Garmin to actually provide good
end user support and fair pricing has just gone away. I have been
disappointed with Garmin's response to datalink for the 430/530 line (I have
had avionics installers tell me not to get it, and they were selling the
things...) I was told by Garmin the 430/530 would continue to use the
GDL49/EchoFlight system only, and the new WxWorks broadcast system would
only be for the G1000.

Then again, they did lose a big auto deal due to their non-competitive
pricing recently...



"Peter Duniho" <NpOeStPeAdM@NnOwSlPiAnMk.com> wrote in message
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> <joe@obilivan.net> wrote in message news:3F239BA4.B24C184E@obilivan.net...
> > The UPS avionics effort was an attempt by the freight-hauling parent to
> design
> > some of their own avionics for their fleet, then as the thing grew its
own
> > life, some of them prevailed to make G/A goodies.
>
> Huh? Hardly. The UPS line of avionics is basically the same as it was
> before UPS bought it, along with the company, from II Morrow. The
> "freight-hauling parent" didn't do much design, if any, nor was it
intended
> specifically for their own fleet. It was targeted at GA from the outset,
by
> the original designer: II Morrow.
>
> Frankly, I thought it was always a little strange that UPS bought out II
> Morrow, but their current choice of how to dispose of their purchase is
> going to be very bad for the avionics market. There's going to be even
less
> price competition than there was before, and I will be surprised if Garmin
> leaves both product lines available intact.
>
> Anyone know how to get the FTC to notice this and do something about it?
>
> Pete
>
>