Holding Pattern Entries

In article <3F0D6CD4.92162AB2@fergworld.com>, Ryan Ferguson
<ryan@fergworld.com> writes:

>> Well, I guess I kinda feel that being situationally aware of where
>> the holding pattern is and from which direction one is approaching
>> shouldn't tax the brainpower, and once one knows that the correct
>> P/T/D entry is pretty obvious.
>
>You'll get no disagreement from me! If that works for you, use it. As I've
>already mentioned in
>this thread, I believe learning the standard entries sans the various memory
>aids and finger tricks
>tends to lead toward proper visualization of the hold, your position, and how
>to enter it with very
>little thinking. For those who can't do that easily, the 'just turn
>outbound' method is an
>alternative which THEY might find simpler.
>

Lots of training for holds but, in 7 years, I've never had one. Sure, I do
them for practice but have never been given one by ATC. However, if the
training help spacial awareness, it's all for the good.

Chuck

I've had 3 assigned in 1,200 hours.

PaulaJay1 wrote:

> In article <3F0D6CD4.92162AB2@fergworld.com>, Ryan Ferguson
> <ryan@fergworld.com> writes:
>
> >> Well, I guess I kinda feel that being situationally aware of where
> >> the holding pattern is and from which direction one is approaching
> >> shouldn't tax the brainpower, and once one knows that the correct
> >> P/T/D entry is pretty obvious.
> >
> >You'll get no disagreement from me! If that works for you, use it. As I've
> >already mentioned in
> >this thread, I believe learning the standard entries sans the various memory
> >aids and finger tricks
> >tends to lead toward proper visualization of the hold, your position, and how
> >to enter it with very
> >little thinking. For those who can't do that easily, the 'just turn
> >outbound' method is an
> >alternative which THEY might find simpler.
> >
>
> Lots of training for holds but, in 7 years, I've never had one. Sure, I do
> them for practice but have never been given one by ATC. However, if the
> training help spacial awareness, it's all for the good.
>
> Chuck

PaulaJay1 wrote:

> Lots of training for holds but, in 7 years, I've never had one. Sure, I do
> them for practice but have never been given one by ATC. However, if the
> training help spacial awareness, it's all for the good.

We've had 3 IIRC, 2 out in the boonies for the same small airport.
Go figgur. The 2nd time we were able to cancel IFR and go in to
our true destination visually.

Equally common (2) has been "just circle a few times, present
position". Frankly I hate this instruction; I can create a waypoint
anywhere I want with my GPS or hold at any DME distance off a VOR,
and I'd much prefer a hold to constant circling.

Cheers,
Sydney