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Old 15th May 2008, 09:15 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The point is that there is no silver bullet. We need to diversify our
economy to make it more robust.
 
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Old 17th May 2008, 12:55 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The point is that there is no silver bullet. We need to diversify our
economy to make it more robust.

You are being contradictory. Allowing gambling WOULD diversify the economy.
 
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Old 19th May 2008, 09:45 PM   #13 (permalink)
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People from Hawaii go to Nevada for the gambling more than because
they have rock fever. You can go anywhere to solve the rock fever problem.
 
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Old 20th May 2008, 09:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
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On May 20, 7:30 am, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.*******> wrote:
> "al Guacamole" <a...@lava.net> wrote in message


>> I've read a little about Bill Gates. He has had a definite vision
>> about what he wanted to accomplish with Microsoft. And he had help
>> from his family on the business end. As for his business strategy,
>> few people have blamed him for just luck in his accomplishments.
>> You've chosen the wrong guy for luck in running a company. There
>> are probably a lot more CEOs that are negligent and leave the
>> running of the company to others as long as mediocre returns come
>> in. This is why we had those Enron scandals.

>
> These CEO's of large companies are just human beings. They do not
> walk on
> water, or have some sort of crystal ball that tells guarnatees that
> they
> will be successful. And because they are human beings, some are
> honest and
> some are not honest. You cannot dream u way to prevent that from
> happening.


Baloney, in theory, they are accountable to their shareholders.

 
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Old 21st May 2008, 09:15 PM   #15 (permalink)
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"al Guacamole" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
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> On May 20, 7:30 am, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.*******> wrote:
>> "al Guacamole" <a...@lava.net> wrote in message

>
>>> I've read a little about Bill Gates. He has had a definite vision
>>> about what he wanted to accomplish with Microsoft. And he had help
>>> from his family on the business end. As for his business strategy,
>>> few people have blamed him for just luck in his accomplishments.
>>> You've chosen the wrong guy for luck in running a company. There
>>> are probably a lot more CEOs that are negligent and leave the
>>> running of the company to others as long as mediocre returns come
>>> in. This is why we had those Enron scandals.

>>
>> These CEO's of large companies are just human beings. They do not
>> walk on
>> water, or have some sort of crystal ball that tells guarnatees that
>> they
>> will be successful. And because they are human beings, some are
>> honest and
>> some are not honest. You cannot dream u way to prevent that from
>> happening.

>
> Baloney, in theory, they are accountable to their shareholders.
>


Well, yes. What has that got to do with what I said.

 
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Old 25th May 2008, 04:25 PM   #16 (permalink)
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On May 21, 4:15 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.*******> wrote:
> "al Guacamole" <a...@lava.net> wrote in message


>> Baloney, in theory, [corporations] are accountable to their
>> shareholders.

>
> Well, yes. What has that got to do with what I said.


They can't lie to their shareholders-- which means essentially the
general public for a publicly held corporation. You state that they
can lie with impunity. Of course not.

 
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Old 25th May 2008, 06:45 PM   #17 (permalink)
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"al Guacamole" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
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> On May 21, 4:15 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.*******> wrote:
>> "al Guacamole" <a...@lava.net> wrote in message

>
>>> Baloney, in theory, [corporations] are accountable to their
>>> shareholders.

>>
>> Well, yes. What has that got to do with what I said.

>
> They can't lie to their shareholders-- which means essentially the
> general public for a publicly held corporation. You state that they
> can lie with impunity. Of course not.
>


When did I say they can lie with impunity?

 
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Old 28th May 2008, 11:03 AM   #18 (permalink)
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If you come to Hawaii, it should be to enjoy the natural beauty. If you want to gamble (an indoor activity), you can do it in the desert (Las Vegas). You'll also be inviting more of the sleeze factor to the islands. I can't think of anything more opposite of the spirit of the islands than gambling institutions.

That said, I'm living on the mainland and the city here has casinos. Luckily, most are tucked away where I don't have to see them all the time. Its pretty hard to tuck those things away between the beach and the mountains. They will be in your face.

As for diversity, Hawaii has a heck of a lot more diversity than here in the central midwest of the mainland unless you want to promote manufacturing in the islands.

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Old 30th May 2008, 10:45 AM   #19 (permalink)
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On May 25, 1:45 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.*******> wrote:
> "al Guacamole" <a...@lava.net> wrote in message
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>> They can't lie to their shareholders-- which means essentially the
>> general public for a publicly held corporation. You state that they
>> can lie with impunity. Of course not.

>
> When did I say they can lie with impunity?


Jerry, you need to re-read what you've written. In fact, only a few
are thought to be lying because so few get caught. They can't do it
with impunity because it's a criminal matter.

 
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Old 31st May 2008, 12:40 PM   #20 (permalink)
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On May 10, 1:35=A0pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.*******> wrote:
> "al Guacamole" <a...@lava.net> wrote in message
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>> On May 9, 6:40 am, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.*******> wrote:
>>> Let me suggest that the tourist industry is also not dependable.

>> Obvious. But the casino industry is not the silver bullet for Hawaii.

> Is there any industry that would be the silver bullet for Hawaii?
> Here is something for you to think about.
> 1. Island people go to Vegas and Reno in such large numbers that the
> casinos cater to the people from Hawaii. Is that "helping" the
> economy of
> Hawaii, that these people go somewhere else to spend their money?
> 2. Casinos employ a whole lot of people. And the people who work for
> the
> casinos make good money. How many good paying jobs would be created
> "if"
> casinos were allowed to operate in Hawaii? How many other jobs would
> be
> created just from businesses that service these casinos?
> 3. Would legalized gambling in Hawaii, help or hurt the tourism
> industry in
> Hawaii? Would more or less people come to Hawaii if there was
> gambling in
> Hawaii?
> 4. If there was legalized gambling in Hawaii, wouldn't casinos be
> built in
> Hawaii, and would that not create a whole lot of jobs....good paying
> jobs I
> might add.


I was surprised THE VEGAS MINUTE would be a regular feature of a tv
news program.

 
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