Outlawing Plastic Bags?

In article <1198110900-sch@news.lava.net> [20 Dec 07]
Alvin E. Toda <aet@lava.net> wrote:

> Don't Germans shop close to home? I was in Munich once
> and didn't notice many grocery bags on the subway. But
> maybe, I thought they were retail bags?

Huh?

We've got supermarkets (close to home)...

The next one is about 150 metres from my home.
And about 7 more within 1-2 km radius.

Of course the buying patterns depend somewhat on where you live and what
day of the week it is.

Within the week I tend to use shops that lie on my way to/from my place
of work. On weekends I tend to take the car and go where I think it's
cheapest...

Robinton

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On Sat, 22 Dec 2007, Soeren Ziehe wrote:

> In article <1198110900-sch@news.lava.net> [20 Dec 07]
> Alvin E. Toda <aet@lava.net> wrote:
>
>> Don't Germans shop close to home? I was in Munich
>> once and didn't notice many grocery bags on the
>> subway. But maybe, I thought they were retail bags?
>
> Huh?
>
> We've got supermarkets (close to home)...
>
> The next one is about 150 metres from my home. And
> about 7 more within 1-2 km radius.
>
> Of course the buying patterns depend somewhat on
> where you live and what day of the week it is.
>
> Within the week I tend to use shops that lie on my
> way to/from my place of work. On weekends I tend to
> take the car and go where I think it's cheapest...
>
> Robinton

There's a difference with our Hawaii suburbs. There's
two supermarkets within 2 km of my home. And that's
considered real close. But then I live in the suburbs
and tend to do what you would do on weekends and drive
perhaps 6 km to do grocery shopping. The number of
grocery stores in this radius is four-- and Times
Supermarket is on strike so I'm not going there. In
the past, I have lived about 150m to the nearest
supermarket but I still drove because I figure I don't
want to carry the bags home.

"Maren at google" <m.purves@jach.hawaii.edu> wrote in message
news:1198349400-sch@news.lava.net...
>
> On Dec 20, 10:15 am, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.>
> wrote:
>> "Sharon T G Westfall" <west...@malasada.lava.net> wrote in
>> messagenews:1198091700-sch@news.lava.net...
>>
>>
>>
>>> In article <1198006800-...@news.lava.net>, Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>>> How is reducing the use of plastic bags going to save the environment?
>>>> What
>>>> impact will the reduction of plastic bags on a tiny state like Hawaii,
>>>> going
>>>> to ave the environment?
>>
>>> I think it's more than the actual environmental perspective that the
>>> plastic bag siginifies. The "knot your bag" commercial, isn't about
>>> using
>>> cloth bags, or stopping us from using plastic bags. If you've passed by
>>> a
>>> landfill you'll see thousands of those plastic bags stuck in the
>>> surrounding trees. They're horrible eyesores.
>>
>> I don't have any problems with the "knot your bag" commerical, or what it
>> is
>> trying to do. I have a problem when "government" TELLS US what we can or
>> cannot do, that is no real danger to us. And yes, plastic bags fluying
>> all
>> over the place are an eyescore....so are a whole lot of other things,
>> depending on moms perspective.
>
> I have a problem with the "knot your bag" PA. I wish people would
> recycle
> or reuse their plastic bags more, and a lot of people I know do
> (though
> maybe for the IMHO wrong reasons). The "Knot your bag" PA tells you
> to knot it and forget it. We'd all be better off if people thought
> about it
> one more time (or: at all, especially in our island environment?)
> Knotting and throwing it out isn't going to solve much of a problem.

There is a fundamental difference between people trying to get you to change
your ways by "convincing" you to voluntarily change your ways, and people
who try to "force" you to change your ways by "outlawing" the use of plastic
bags, don't you think?

On Dec 23, 1:30 pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.> wrote:
> "Maren at google" <m.pur...@jach.hawaii.edu> wrote
>> I have a problem with the "knot your bag" PA.
[....]
>> Knotting and throwing it out isn't going to solve much of a problem.
>
> There is a fundamental difference between people trying to get you to change
> your ways by "convincing" you to voluntarily change your ways, and people
> who try to "force" you to change your ways by "outlawing" the use of plastic
> bags, don't you think?

Absolutely. But it requires you to think.
I'd rather not have a law about this and people doing a bit more
thinking. But then, I've been carrying bads to re-use and recycle
around in my truck for years and years.

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