Super Ferry....

It's kind of ominous waiting for the court case in
Cardoza's court to make progress... Meanwhile
Star-Bulletin Honolulu Lite columnist Memminger is
making lite of it with a rumor that one of the Kauai
leaders Albertini saying that it isn't worth 10 years
in prison to stop the ferry. Memminger, if he's trying
to be another Andy Rooney, isn't very funny. But it's
too bad that it has come to this-- where people have to
break the law to get some justice.

"Hertz Donut" <somewhere@outthere.net> wrote in message
news:1195194302-sch@news.lava.net...
>
>
>>
>
> I have lived in Alaska...the same type of Ferry operates there with no
> impact on the environment.

Good point, lots of whales in Alaska... I wonder where else ferries operate
where there are a lot of whales?
>

>
> A question for you...Matson operates it's vessels without regard to
> current
> environmental laws. They operate at speeds equal to or above what
> the Super
> Ferry operates. Why do you tolerate Matson operating it's vessels but
> oppose
> the Super Ferry? It makes no sense.
>
The one that really gets me, was just recently they started a ferry service
on Oahu. I asked at the time, was their an EIS performed for that service?
And if not, why not?

On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:30:03 -0000, "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net>
wrote:

Maoli should be more concerned about their own extinction. We are the
true endangered species of this `aina. Maoli all know what
constitutes the species deemed to be invasive.

The righteous environmental groups care not of the people who first
settled these islands; instead they use them to divide communities. It
is my opinion that most of them would laugh in our face if we ask them
how they would prevent extinction of an island people.

Maoli is by blood, not address. The wannabes purposely misunderstand
yet use the term Hawaiian as if it's something bestowed upon someone
just because they live here.

Superferry opponents and proponents continue to use the native people
as pawns. Government (yup...Government) has said the ferry can sail
while the EIS is prepared. If we are civilly disobedient in this
regard, what is to stop us from expressing our dissatisfaction
regarding the true invasive species?

Maoli...sheep are not indigenous to these islands. Do not let these
dividers turn you into sheep. Think for yourself and make your own
decision.

"PoiDog" <poidog@hawaii.> wrote in message
news:1195763407-sch@news.lava.net...
> If that is indeed the case, we are still a minority in our own land.
> Government needs to cull the population, since they caused the
> problem.


With that one sentence, you have lost all credibility and support you would
ever have hoped to gain. You seek respect for the Hawaiian race, yet you
advocate the government conducting genocide.


Islands can only support so much...and Maoli are the ones
> who have paid the highest price.
>

It is not one groups' fault. Yet you need to assign blame anywhere but
where it belongs...

Honu

On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 17:25:07 -0000, "Hertz Donut"
<somewhere@outthere.net> wrote:

>
>
>"PoiDog" <poidog@hawaii.> wrote in message
>news:1195763407-sch@news.lava.net...
>> If that is indeed the case, we are still a minority in our own land.
>> Government needs to cull the population, since they caused the
>> problem.
>
>
>With that one sentence, you have lost all credibility and support you would
>ever have hoped to gain. You seek respect for the Hawaiian race, yet you
>advocate the government conducting genocide.

Cull does not mean genocide, although my use of the word was based on
experiences of relocating animals from a herd. Removing or
encouraging removal of people from a land that cannot continue to
sustain is genocide? Seems like logic to me.
>
>
> Islands can only support so much...and Maoli are the ones
>> who have paid the highest price.
>>
>
>It is not one groups' fault. Yet you need to assign blame anywhere but
>where it belongs...

What group? Government? This ferry issue is only a part of it. It's
part of the continuing overdevelopment permitted by government. As is
evident in the ferry, government changes rules as they see fit.

Akahele `ena makani.

On Sun, 25 Nov 2007, Hertz Donut wrote:

> "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
> news:1195960800-sch@news.lava.net...

>> There are plenty of laws to protect the environment
>> if the governor is doing her job.
>
> The governor is not single handedly responsible for
> the environment.

The buck in this state stops with her. The failure here
is her responsibility.

> You need to take a break, and organize your thoughts.

Why should I take a break when the damage to our
environment is already done? Isn't it more imperative
now that people speak up about this? Do we have to have
people arrested because they are only peacefully
protesting the super ferry violation of their rights?
Lingle's inaction will spawn a whole new generation of
protest against those who would destroy our
environment.