Advertiser: Hawaii Superferry Exemption Backfired

Just yesterday, we were informed that the new commuter ferry service
was to begin in Honolulu. My question when I read the article was, was
there an Environmental Impact review of that service. Do you know the
answer? And if there was no such review, why was there no such review?

On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Jerry Okamura wrote:

> "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
> news:1189313701-sch@news.lava.net...
>>
>> It's pretty plain to almost all, that the ferry
>> folks have been ignoring this EIS. And ignorance of
>> the law is no excused if they continue to plea that
>> the folks in office told them otherwise. It's
>> rediculous when the courts, not elected officials
>> themselves, don't enforce the law.
>>
> I asked this question which perhaps you can answer.
> Oahu is just starting a commuter ferry service. Has
> that undergone an Environmental Impact review?

I guess you're trying to make a legal point, Jerry?
Perhaps we should ask for an EIS whenever someone takes
a ferry whether it's to the other side of a river or
harbor or to another island? You don't think that
there is, or should be, a legal difference? After
reading Fukunaga's response in this morning's paper, it
sounds like the same question that you are asking.
Fukunaga should know better. Being a department head,
you wonder whether he has any common sense at all.

"Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
news:1189398001-sch@news.lava.net...
>
> On Sun, 9 Sep 2007, Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
>> "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
>> news:1189313701-sch@news.lava.net...
>>>
>>> It's pretty plain to almost all, that the ferry
>>> folks have been ignoring this EIS. And ignorance of
>>> the law is no excused if they continue to plea that
>>> the folks in office told them otherwise. It's
>>> rediculous when the courts, not elected officials
>>> themselves, don't enforce the law.
>>>
>> I asked this question which perhaps you can answer.
>> Oahu is just starting a commuter ferry service. Has
>> that undergone an Environmental Impact review?
>
> I guess you're trying to make a legal point, Jerry?
> Perhaps we should ask for an EIS whenever someone takes
> a ferry whether it's to the other side of a river or
> harbor or to another island? You don't think that
> there is, or should be, a legal difference? After
> reading Fukunaga's response in this morning's paper, it
> sounds like the same question that you are asking.
> Fukunaga should know better. Being a department head,
> you wonder whether he has any common sense at all.
>

Don't be so defensive. Can you justify why a new Honolulu commuter
ferry
service should not have had an EIS?

"Dan Birchall" <nobody@imaginary-host.danbirchall.com> wrote in message
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>
> okamuraj005@hawaii. (Jerry Okamura) wrote:
>> Can you justify why a new Honolulu commuter ferry
>> service should not have had an EIS?
>
> Some things do not apply.

Why doesn't it apply in the case of the Honolulu Commuter Ferry? Do you
know the answer, or are you just assuming that it did not apply to the
Honolulu commuter Ferry?

"Dan Birchall" <nobody@imaginary-host.danbirchall.com> wrote in message
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>
> okamuraj005@hawaii. (Jerry Okamura) wrote:
>> "Dan Birchall" <nobody@imaginary-host.danbirchall.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:1189640100-sch@news.lava.net...
>>>
>>> okamuraj005@hawaii. (Jerry Okamura) wrote:
>>>> Can you justify why a new Honolulu commuter ferry
>>>> service should not have had an EIS?
>>>
>>> Some things do not apply.
>>
>> Why doesn't it apply in the case of the Honolulu Commuter Ferry?
>> Do you know the answer, or are you just assuming that it did not
>> apply to the Honolulu commuter Ferry?
>
> The post from which you excerpted this contained an answer to your
> question, which you chose not to include. Any reason why?

Yes, because I did not see that in the posting....what are your
referring
to?
>
> As I said before there are _some_ things (environmental risks) that
> are
> applicable to the SuperFerry that are _not_ applicable to the Honolulu
> commuter ferry.
>
> The specific example I gave, which I will give again here, is: A ferry
> which operates along the coast of one island is unlikely to spread
> invasive species to other islands.
>
I would think that the reason we have a national requirement for the
Environmental Impact Statement (review) is to consider ALL environment
impacts, not one that is as narrow as you mention.

aet@lava.net (Alvin E. Toda) wrote:
> The governor can lack common sense as well as anyone.

Truer words were never spoken - and they're true in the general case
too!