Violence in Oahu

> You're more likely to get your gun stolen than get
> beaten up. IIRC we don't have as much violent crime as
> other states. Beatings like this are rare, and they
> make you wonder what is wrong with our system of
> justice and social services-- a very wide range.

I would think that one reason is that we are trying to do things that
are direct opposite of each other. On the one hand we want to send a
message to the people, that "if" they commit a crime, they could be punished for
that crime, the level of punishment varies with the type of crime. But
then when they are sent to prison, we don't want it to be too severe. So, we
end up diluting the very purpose of putting them in jail. And I think the
recidicism rate proves that to be true.

> Of course there's an element of a hate crime here
> because the senseless and severe nature of the
> violence. Without witnessess at the scene, they might
> have killed the couple. But because of the way hate
> crime laws are applied in Hawaii, there will rarely be
> prosecution for that. It's looked at as a traffic
> dispute that got out of control. It would have been
> considered a hate crime only if there was no other
> reason-- ie the victims were selected at random for no
> other reason than race for beating up.

Well, actually I think that Hawaii has improved a whole lot in the
area of hate crimes. When I was young, it use to be a "sport" to beat up on
Haole's. I am willing to bet, there is a whole lot less of that
happening today, than existed when you and I were young.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2007, Jerry Okamura wrote:

> "Alvin E. Toda" <aet@lava.net> wrote in message
> news:1172616606-sch@news.lava.net...
>>
>>
>> You're more likely to get your gun stolen than get
>> beaten up. IIRC we don't have as much violent crime
>> as other states. Beatings like this are rare, and
>> they make you wonder what is wrong with our system
>> of justice and social services-- a very wide range.
>
> I would think that one reason is that we are trying
> to do things that are direct opposite of each other.
> On the one hand we want to send a message to the
> people, that "if" they commit a crime, they could be
> punished for that crime, the level of punishment
> varies with the type of crime. But then when they
> are sent to prison, we don't want it to be too
> severe. So, we end up diluting the very purpose of
> putting them in jail. And I think the recidicism
> rate proves that to be true.
>>
>> Of course there's an element of a hate crime here
>> because the senseless and severe nature of the
>> violence. Without witnessess at the scene, they
>> might have killed the couple. But because of the way
>> hate crime laws are applied in Hawaii, there will
>> rarely be prosecution for that. It's looked at as a
>> traffic dispute that got out of control. It would
>> have been considered a hate crime only if there was
>> no other reason-- ie the victims were selected at
>> random for no other reason than race for beating up.
>>
>
> Well, actually I think that Hawaii has improved a
> whole lot in the area of hate crimes. When I was
> young, it use to be a "sport" to beat up on Haole's.
> I am willing to bet, there is a whole lot less of
> that happening today, than existed when you and I
> were young.

There are stories like yours, but I can assure anyone
that was all idle talk. Fights were extremely rare in
country schools. Everyone knew everyone else, and
corporal punishment and expulsion for misconduct was
liberally used. Besides, I think we had too much aloha,
for that kind of fighting. It was the kids from
Honolulu, and also some military brats who brought so
much hate and agression to the school.

On Feb 28, 2:55 pm, "Alvin E. Toda" <a...@lava.net> wrote:

>> Well, actually I think that Hawaii has improved a
>> whole lot in the area of hate crimes. When I was
>> young, it use to be a "sport" to beat up on Haole's.
>> I am willing to bet, there is a whole lot less of
>> that happening today, than existed when you and I
>> were young.
>
> There are stories like yours, but I can assure anyone
> that was all idle talk. Fights were extremely rare in
> country schools. Everyone knew everyone else, and
> corporal punishment and expulsion for misconduct was
> liberally used. Besides, I think we had too much aloha,
> for that kind of fighting. It was the kids from
> Honolulu, and also some military brats who brought so
> much hate and agression to the school.

I love aloha - and I'm only understanding/learning the basics...

I recently viewed an episode of the old TV show This is Your Life, and
it featured Duke Kahanamoku from 1957. His presence was and is
everything I had hoped for. He nails aloha perfectly.

I don't know if my sometimes idolized view of the past is because it's
an escape from today, or as a friend mentioned today, it may be
because we're old enough now to appreciate the beauty in those
times...

I've read about Duke ruling the roost on Waikiki in terms of making
the other beach boys behave, so aloha is not some passive, drug-like
state. And I read about Hollywood being referred to as Haolewood
because of the type-casting issues he experience there, however Duke
married a white girl and seemed to have both Hawaiian and haole
friends.

On Mar 3, 8:20 am, "Alvin E. Toda" <a...@lava.net> wrote:

>> Sorry to mental leap-frog here... but do you know
>> what those weird streets are East of Waianae in the
>> hills, like 56th, 58th, 59th? Looks like bunkers from
>> an aerial view. Maybe I should make a separate
>> thread for this.
>
> Do you mean the town houses? Near the resort golf
> course? They're pretty nice. There's a lot of security

Sorry, I'm looking via Google Earth. It's off of Farrington Hwy, the
East on WaianaeValley Road until it runs out and then those odd number
streets (12th, 14th, 16th) start, and further out is the 56th, 58th,
59th streets.

To the South is a large flat space with street names like Morse St.,
Tower Dr., and Hertz Lp.

On Mar 3, 8:50 am, Nai`a <mjw...@lava.net> wrote:
> Alvin E. Toda wrote:
>> On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Jonnie Santos wrote:
>
>>> On Mar 1, 8:10 pm, Eddie <hawaii...@> wrote:
>
>>>> (Waianae coast, Waimanalo, etc). Best thing to do
>>>> when confronted,
>
>>> Sorry to mental leap-frog here... but do you know
>>> what those weird streets are East of Waianae in the
>>> hills, like 56th, 58th, 59th? Looks like bunkers from
>>> an aerial view. Maybe I should make a separate
>>> thread for this.
>
>> Do you mean the town houses?
>
> I'm pretty sure he means the Nanakuli Naval Magazine.
>

I did some searching on that area and found these streets are in an
area called Lualualei Naval Reservation. I'm guessing then it's
probably off-limits to the general public. I didn't realize the
Military was still such a large presence in Hawaii.