Goodby to Hawaii

In article <1115743815-sch@news.lava.net>, Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:

> kimo wrote in part:
>> ...saw something abhorrent on 9 kgmb the other night. Some haole was
>> extolling the virtues of a new highrise tower at Bishop and Alakea.
>
> Not just any haole, but TRUMP. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just of
> his hair either.
>
> Corry

Ah jeez...there goes the downtown neighborhood. So much for my normal
route (Queen to Alakea to Beretania) to get to so many of the people I
do business with. Fortunately, there are alternatives but construction
will really mess with traffic for a long time.

It really is sad. If I want to experience Seattle, I'll go to Seattle.
Ditto for any other big city experience. I moved here for the Hawaii
experience. Most tourists visit here for the Hawaii experience. Trump's
highrise certainly isn't the first nor will it be the last on Oahu. I
just hope our local government isn't swayed into making exceptions for
him because of his "celebrity" status and the potential of all the press
that Hawaii might get.

Now, if Trump wants to have a presence in Hawaii let him build something
along the lines of the Kona Village Resort. Of course, that wouldn't add
to his coffers like a highrise.

"Okay, you are not happy with what is happening. What is your
solution?"

Certainly not what we see now. And NOT having an instant synopsis of a
definite conclusive solution is not any justification for NOT lamenting
the fast destruction of these fragile islands.


The apathetic mindset displayed by too many is deplorable:
"Well, if ya DON"T have another option, if ya CAN'T elucidate an
instant solution, we MUST allow rampant development!"

Unclaimed Mysteries wrote:
>
> kimo wrote in part:
>
>> ...saw something abhorrent on 9 kgmb the other night. Some haole was
>> extolling the virtues of a new highrise tower at Bishop and Alakea.
>
>
> Not just any haole, but TRUMP. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just of
> his hair either.

it was him (or so I heard, supposedly on Oprah, saying the best place
to invest in real estate was Puna on the Big Island) who caused the
Puna real estate prices quintuple in a year too ...

Maren

kimo wrote:
> ...saw something abhorrent on 9 kgmb the other night. Some haole was
> extolling the virtues of a new highrise tower at Bishop and Alakea.
> Name of Capitol Place. And the newscasters were were getting all
> teary-eyed and gushing as if this new tower and shopping center is
the
> best thing since sliced bread. And the developer or representative
> resembled a snake oil salesman with his lies and warped mainland
> perspective.
>
> He was going on about how this will help Honolulu compete with any
> mainand city.
> "We will be just like Seattle or any other big city with this new
condo
> and entertainment structure."
>

If you mean Block J, you must be referring to the parcel that the car
sales family bought and will develop. Think about how cars are sold
and then if the sales hype is unexpected. Any $99 down and $99 a month
deals? <G> Anyway, been wondering for 20 years plus when those who
live in Kukui Plaza with the Diamond Head view would get their view
blocked.


> [snip]
> Economic development at all costs is killing the future of Hawaii.
This
> is not what Hawaii is; another Seattle. We are NOT competing to be
> another mainland city, and those that wish this can move BACK to the
> mainland.

Really surprised more condos aren't going up given the sky high prices
of condos and single family homes. If big buildings have to go up in
Hawaii, it should be in urban Honolulu. The City & County has been
trying to get someone to develop that site for more than 20 years (that
I can remember). I remember one developer even came up with a
hare-brained scheme to build a stock exchange there to take advantage
of the time zone difference between NY and Asia (sounds so silly 15
years later). One artist rendition even had a gargantuan building
straddling Pali Hwy with the cars going underneath! That would have
been something.

Looks like mayor Harris' desperate scrounging for money in the last
couple years to pay for his more frivolous projects finally got the
site on the development track. He sold taxpayer-owned property to the
private developer last year. Who knows if the City retained any rights
or was it a lameduck sweetheart deal? You think the developer is going
to make money given this real estate market? Duh.

"Not just any haole, but TRUMP. Be afraid. Be very afraid. Not just of
his hair either. "

no, it was some haole.
wasn't trump.
that's another trespass...



"kill it before it multiplies!"

"Jonnie Santos" <iohuni2005-newsgroups2m> wrote in message
news:1115826302-sch@news.lava.net...
>
>
> I don't know what the answer is for any of us. Accepting change might
> be a clinical suggestion, however that's just a guess.
>
>

Change it seems to me is something that has occurred throughout humans
existence on earth, and I do not see anyway to "change" that. But "change"
is both positive and negative. The problem we all have is that we dislike
the "changes" that are occuring that we think are "bad", but we ignore the
"changes" that are "good". We tend to accentuate the negatives.

"Unfortunately, we can't control this. If more people
can move here to Hawaii, then we just need to find the
room for them. "

and therein lies part of the problem.
accepting this perspective.
yea. "Hey let's give up! apathy rules, but who cares?!"

In article <1115826004-sch@news.lava.net>,
"Quante981" <quante981@m> wrote:
[...]
> Really surprised more condos aren't going up given the sky high prices
> of condos and single family homes. If big buildings have to go up in
> Hawaii, it should be in urban Honolulu.

I wonder how much more the urban Honolulu infrastructure can support.
There's always some underground system in a state of emergency repair.

> [...] One artist rendition even had a gargantuan building
> straddling Pali Hwy with the cars going underneath! That would have
> been something.

And I thought taking pork over the Pali was scary...<g>

In article <1115826000-sch@news.lava.net>, Nai`a <mjwise@lava.net>
wrote:

> kimo wrote:
>
>> ...saw something abhorrent on 9 kgmb the other night. Some haole was
>> extolling the virtues of a new highrise tower at Bishop and Alakea.
>> Name of Capitol Place.
>
> Hmmm.
> Bishop and Alakea run parallel to each other.



Yes, I am aware.


> Any further details about the proposed location?


No, none at all.

"kimo" <hawaiianstyle55@m> wrote in message
news:1115880303-sch@news.lava.net...
>
> "Unfortunately, we can't control this. If more people
> can move here to Hawaii, then we just need to find the
> room for them. "
>
> and therein lies part of the problem.
> accepting this perspective.
> yea. "Hey let's give up! apathy rules, but who cares?!"
>

I think it is a whole lot more complicated then that. Part of it has to do
with people "wanting" to come here...would you stop people who want to live
in Hawaii, from comming to live in Hawaii? I think there is also the
problem of how you maintain a growing economy with a stagnant population. I
do not know if that can be accomplished...though I am not certain. Then of
course there is the natural cycle of birth and death. If more people are
born then die, then by definition you have growth in population don't you,
and they have to live somewhere don't they? Sounds like what you are saying
is, "but not in my backard". Isn't that a universal problem, we say we want
to solve a problem, but we do not want it in our backyard?